Competition for the Versacamm

[Fred Weiss]

Competition for the 30" Versacamm is beginning to emerge.

Mutoh will begin shipping the Mutoh Jr. 30" system in June according to a sales rep I talked to today who represents a distributor, not Mutoh. The system uses Ecosolvent inks and will be paired with a matching 30" Mutoh plotter with optical alignment for contour cutting for a suggested list of $14,995 (including the plotter).

At $1,000 higher than the Versacamm but featuring a faster, separate plotter it may be a very viable entry into this fast growing market.

The system will also work if paired with any newer Graphtec plotters that feature optical alignment.

I would expect that Mimaki won't be far behind as well.

:signs101:

[Dennis Raap]

Fred, thanks for the update I got a sample print from a VersaCamm tried the alcohol wipe in front of the dealer print wiped right off just like you said. The dealer was suprised he had no idea it would wipe off that easy.

[Fred Weiss]

I've just reviewed and posted the press release regarding the Mutoh Junior print and cut system and wanted to point out some corrections to the information told to me previously by a distributor sales rep.

1. The printer can accomodate a 36 inch print height, not the 30 inch height previously reported.

2. The plotter can accomodate the same 36 inch height as well.

3. The plotter has a cut speed in the mid 30 inch per second range. The Versacamm is only 25% to 30% as fast.

3. The price for the package according to the press release is $13,995 which is $1,000 less than the sales rep quoted.

So comparing the Junior to the Versacamm we have the same list price, an extra 6 inches of image height and a separate plotter that runs considerably faster.

[Greg]

Dang it all to heck!!! (Change words to suit your temperment). Just when I thought I had come to a decision..............

Now what..... :help:

Thanks for the info!

[Dale Horn]

I'm right there with you Greg, same dilemma - If I have to -I'll sub out the work until I have contracts/customer demand #'s pinned down. Speculating on a machine and hoping to produce products (and make a profit) the customers want makes me think twice before jumping on the 'monthly payment' tread wheel again :cool: .

[Ladypainter]

If anyone gets any more info on this equipment...please post it. My request for a VersaCamm is almost at the top of the ladder & I may get to order within the next couple of months...perhaps soon. When they say GO...I have to be able to move.

So comparing the Junior to the Versacamm we have the same list price, an extra 6 inches of image height and a separate plotter that runs considerably faster.

Fred...doesn't this mean you go back to printing...unloading...reloading...registering...c utting...??

LP

[Greg]

I'm not Fred but the answer is yes.

Since most if not all output will be laminated does it matter really? You'll have to remove the vinyl, laminate, then cut. Same process with the Versacamm. The bonus for the Versacamm would be if you don't plan to laminate. I wonder how often that will be the case?

I'm sure Fred will set me straight if I misunderstood.

[Barry]

The big question is when will it be avalible? I have heard probably 6 months to a year. I would rather be making money right now with the versacamm then waiting for another printer.

[geb]

I don't know to much about the printing part of this business, but I've heard people talk about about laminating digital prints. Can prints from the versacamm, edge, roland pnc be laminated with clear coat or frog juice, or are they not compatible with with these prints? Thanks.

George

[Greg]

Yes they can be laminated with any of these. Your mileage may vary......(according to everything I have read).

[Fred Weiss]

What we're talking about here folks is a not so wide format ecosolvent printer. And the throughput isn't particularly fast ..... 30 to 50 square feet an hour.

The ecosolvent is much more resistant to sunfade than pigment and dye inks which makes it suitable for a lot more things, but at 29" or 36" these aren't aimed at the printed banner applications or large backlit tradeshow stuff. We're talking vehicles, windows, general indoor and outdoor signage.

What they don't tell you is that abrasion resistance is a concern and solvent resistance is virtually non-existent. The need for lamination is obvious, at least to me and also provides an opportunity to separate yourself from your competition who buys into the ad hype and doesn't invest in a laminator.

Striking, eye catching work is what it does well and doing it right is what will get you the high return and referrals that make getting one of these babies all about. Working with sprays and liquids is cumbersome at best and fairly pricy as well. Laminating film, IMHO, is the way to go ..... and it would, in my business end up on probably 50% to 75% of what I would be outputting.

[Greg]

The big question is when will it be avalible? I have heard probably 6 months to a year. I would rather be making money right now with the versacamm then waiting for another printer.

The Mutoh Junior's are apparently available now. Least that is what I was told by SSK.

[george3005]

I dont know much about the other machines but i did look at service and parts
which here in montreal are not a problem we have 2 roland dealerships one beside each other LOL almost neighbours i found it important to have whoevers
machine i bought to be close by
My 2 cents :peace!:

[Greg]

Guess I've been remiss in posting lately.

I took delivery of a Versacamm June 20th. Laminator (Daige) came but it was trashed in the box. I await the replacement. The dealer is about 10 miles away. They also carry media, inks, etc. Been spending the last few weeks trying to learn all about it.

:)

[PureSportsDesigns]

Hey guys,

I bought a VersaCamm about 3 months ago and have never looked back. I took out a small business loan and bought a laminator at the same time. Ink cost are only .22 sq/ft and last a long time. My justification was if I could not produce an extra $300 a month to cover the payment, it would only be because of not trying. Last week alone we printed 57 signs with our printer. Do you think I made an extra $300 to cover the payment?????? We live in a small town with only 3 stop lights. If we can do it, you can too. What are you waiting for??

[Mike Paul]

I don't know to much about the printing part of this business, but I've heard people talk about about laminating digital prints. Can prints from the versacamm, edge, roland pnc be laminated with clear coat or frog juice, or are they not compatible with with these prints? Thanks.

George

GEB,
Frog juice works great for me on thermal resin Edge prints, but I have read that some inkjet users are having problems with most brands of liquid clear pulling up with the transfer tape.
Mike

[Baz]

I own an SC-500, had it for over 2 and a half years now. I only used liquid laminates since i cant afford a proper sized laminator for it and my shop space is limited.

I have had lifting problems with water based liquid laminates but they werent lifting the inks .. just the laminate would lift

Never had a problem with One Shot UV clear, it works great ...

Clear Jet works great to but appart from the spray cans, the liquid form (from a gallon) i find hard to apply over large surfaces ..

I used Frog Juice once but eventually i got little spider weblike cracks over the finish.

Krylon works good but is verry agressive on the inks ... so if you have to cut and weed your print .. do it after your clear is dry.

Home brands of laquer based clears have worked also for me.

The one i use most is water based Clear Shield. I love it .. just dont premask over it. 90% of my prints are for billboards. Family lifestyle photos, architectural renderings for new residential/commercial housing projects. They are large and dont require premasking.

The smell is great compared to solvent based clearcoats. I'll only use those for vehicle graphics.

Next week my SC-500 will get the conversion kit from Roland .. Turning it into a SC-500 EX, using eco sol inks. I hope i get the same results with the clearcoats since my media will also be changing to "non-coated" ... Woohoo!!! My media costs will be cut in half, or more on certain kinds!!

If theres any difference i'll posts results.

[Steve C.]

We have been kicking around the idea of a small printer for our shop. The Versacamm or the Mutoh Jr. sounds like what we have been looking for. About how much can we expect to pay for a laminator? I already use a lot of the OneShot UV Clear for my airbrush work. I don't know about the printed vinyl, but if you get too heavy on painted vinyl it will lift with the ap. tape.

Steve C.

[Greg]

$1000 and up, new.

[Steve C.]

What about design software? Will we need a special program for the machine? Can you print from Corel Draw?

Steve C.

[Greg]

As it exists, you'll need design software that can export to supported formats. I use EPS because it works via CorelDraw. Using Colorip 2.x, which comes with the Versacamm, you have to define a "color" as "CutPath" to use for cutting operations. The cut path has to be defined (drawn) in the drawing before exporting to EPS.

Once you have the EPS file you open it in Colorip. If you're cutting, the CutPath will be obvious as its indicated by a marquee line. That's also the place to check your cutline since a "hairline" outline is difficult to see in Corel.

There are, of course, slicker and more expensive options but CorelDraw works.

[GraphixCALC]

Hey Greg,

Can you use the "Contour" function in CoCut PRO to define the Cutpath? Haven't tried to use it myself (because I have no VersaCAMM yet :( but soon hopefully) but thought about this and wondered if it would work and/or be any easier. So how do you like your VersaCAMM so far? I've considered it for a while, but am still wondering if I can justify it since I am still part-timing it still. Seems like maybe a good way to work into full-time though once I get proficient with it :)

[Greg]

Good question. I've never tried it but if you can define a contour, save it or bring back into Corel....and then give the contour outline the color "CutPath", then export, it ought to work. All Colorip seems to care about is the "NAME" of the color outline.

I've had nothing but problems with CoCut Pro just cutting vinyl (perhaps its my setup) but its hit or miss to get the weed lines to cut. I've almost given up on it.

[andy]

Hi,

I was reading about the Versacamm machine in this thread. Over here in the UK these machines have been re-worked and are marketed as the Cadet (30") and Grenadier (54"?)

The big difference is that these re worked Rolands take full solvent inks not the eco solvents that the standard Versacamm takes.

From what I hear these machines are shipping by the bucket load. Maybe you can get the same in the US? From what I hear true solvent inks eliminate the wipe off effect mentioned in this post and are generally more robust. I have fitted a stack of output from these machines- some unlaminated- and they were great quality.

www.bplightbrigade.co.uk (http://www.bplightbrigade.co.uk)

This is one of the dealers here in the UK.

Hope this info is useful

[idsign]

Andy,

Thanks for the post. It made the thread pop right back to the top. I never saw the Fred's initial post on this thread dating back to April.

I was about ready to pop for the VersaCAMM but now realize that I need more research.

Barry

[Fred Weiss]

Barry you may want to make sure you read my follow up post in the News thread about the Mutoh Jr. http://www.signs101.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1388


I suspect the Mutoh Jr. is a superior system but the plotter they would have you match with it is not a good choice.

I have also spoken with a Mimaki distributor regarding whether or not that company will be coming to market with a 30" - 36" PNC system and the response was that Mimaki has been told by Epson (who makes the printheads) that they will not permit Mimaki to use their printheads in that size a unit. So it may be that the only two players here will be Mutoh and Roland.

With regard to solvent vs. eco-solvent ..... I tested a Versacamm eco-solvent print against a Mimaki solvent print with a denatured alcohol wipe. The Versacamm wiped clean in one swipe while the Mimaki wiped 90% clean in three swipes. That, IMHO, isn't enough better to justify the required ventilation system and other issues with full solvent based systems.

Either one, again IMHO, should be protected with lamination for durable applications.

[Barry]

I agree with Fred here, it seems that the full solvent inks are really hard on the internals of your machines. You will probably need to replace heads atleast twice as much at $800 a set, not to mention the extra maintance that will be required to keep the heads line, etc from clogging. Add in the extra ventalation equipment and its just not worth it.

Ive had my Versacamm for a few months now and this is a great machine. Good print quality, good support, good software. What else could you ask for? It would be nice to have a larger machine, but it just was not in my budget.

[Greg]

Key issue, regardless of what you might be told is ICC profiles. I was cussing up a storm there for awhile (I was told just use the "Generic" profiles) and couldn't figure out why I had gobs of ink, bubbles, smears, etc. Changed to the proper profile and "Waa-La!" it looked like it was supposed to look.

True, some vinyl doesn't have profiles and some of the other profiles might work with it. I'd dang sure try it with a small test graphic before I wasted yards of vinyl.

BTW, I have yet to try High Resolution (14,400) as the need hasn't been there (yet).

I also put an unlaminated graphic on my truck (the one in my sig) for a test. Looks good to me and its been a couple months. No, I didn't try the wire brush test on it yet :)

[GraphixCALC]

Although I know the Summa DC3 is a totally different system (thermal) and op costs are a bit higher, how do these compare or do they simply not compare? Is it just a different market, or would either one of these be a good choice? Not sure of all the different things to consider since I don't have any digital printer currently, but would appreciated any comments. Thanks.

[Dale Horn]

I think the DC3 ships FOB Boston for about 25,000 . You'll need a matching printer and foils. The DC3 is a thermal printer.

I'd say comparing a Versacamm and a DC3 is like comparing apples and oranges.

[Fred Weiss]

Sounds like you're talking Canadian $ there Dale. The DC3 has been pretty actively sold for just under $20,000. Not sure how much more the DC3 Plus goes for .... the difference being that you can remove the vinyl for lamination and return it to the machine for cutting.


I don't see it as apples and oranges at all. Especially since most clients these days think all signs and graphics are printed. I personally could never get too excited about the DC3 because:

1. High supply cost
2. No width adjustment for media .... you run 36" film from Summa period.
3. Very little aftermarket choices ..... single source for supplies - no competition
4. Very little film choices and very few spot colors
5. Adequate but not exceptional looking output in CMYK mode
6. No dealers .... all training, service, supplies and support comes from a central location

Yes it's thermal resin which is inherently more durable than eco-solvent ink but highly overrated for unprotected use out of doors, which is why they came out with the DC3 Plus.

The VersaCamm and other Roland inkjets, the Mimaki, the Mutoh all service the same market for printed decals but add banners to the mix. The only thing they don't do is spot colors so there are no metallic foils or ability to lay down white on clear. But I think we both agree the Gerber Edge is the clear choice for these needs.

What the inkjets do provide is:

1. Much lower supply cost .... typically about 25% to 30% of the cost of thermal resins.
2. Adjustable width to accomodate any width material you want to run.
3. Lots of competition and choices in the aftermarket with competing dealers
4. Print and cut yourchoice of materials .... no spot colors though
5. CMYK output that is so superior looking as to defy comparison
6. Lots of dealers. Training, service, supplies and support often comes to you at the local level

It seems to me that the Edge is the way to go for smaller print and cut work and the inkjets matched with an OPOS equipped plotter and a laminator are the way to go for wide format. The DC3 is positioned between the two serving neither market as well.

[Dale Horn]

No that was 25,000 USD FOB Boston. That's what the reseller (only one as far as I know) charges for the DC3 here.

Good points Fred,

I'm still going to stay with the apples and oranges analogy. While the DC3 and the Versacamm are wider format they're quite different in how they print and the total capital cost required to print .

Each machine has it's own challeges-
Another point to consider is usage with the Versacamm - if the machine isn't used every day is there potential for head clogging? Some other watchouts could be banding, mottling, cracking, cockling, bleeding, curl, metamerism, and fading. It makes thermal resin printing look quite simple.

If in doubt - sub contract the work rather than purchasing until volume is high enough to see how the product stands up as it's used.
I haven't seen any laminated inkjet printed products go over convex curves on vehicles and last through the semi truck washes through the winter.

Maybe there's more of a fit for short term promotional partial wraps with the Versacamm.

With the DC3 the main competion is with solvent printers. I agree the DC3 doesn't have a clear advantage in one particular area which makes investing in the technology less attractive.

[ColorFast]

I don't know to much about the printing part of this business, but I've heard people talk about about laminating digital prints. Can prints from the versacamm, edge, roland pnc be laminated with clear coat or frog juice, or are they not compatible with with these prints? Thanks.

George

I was reading the Beacon Graphics catalog in which they sell frog juice and they DO NOT recommend it for digital prints. Not sure if I trust this as they are the same company that sells the Epson 7800/9800's as a "great outdoor solution". Just thought i'd give a heads up.

[threeputt]

Not too long ago, I too was in a quandary as to which wide format machine to buy. In reality it's a choice first, between two differing technologies. Fred states the case nicely (against the DC3).

I can tell you that we had a job applicant that was up from California and he said (during his interview here), that at his previous shop, a big plant, they had about one of every machine made. He said that the Roland Versacamm 54" was the hardest working, most trouble-free of all the equipment. Didn't know about operating costs, he said, but he thought it was very economical too.

Didn't take me long to get one after seeing a few of them run at other shops. I have not been unsatisfied one little bit with mine. The darn machine runs and runs and puts out far more work than you can imagine.

All the talk about fumes (from sellers of machines with the other technology) was just that, talk, designed to scare buyers away from the Roland. You can scarcely hear the machine run, unlike the Edge, (which is a goold little machine in and of itself) and there is NO smell. (using the Eco-Sol Max inks)

We laminate so the "wipe off" issue isn't really an issue for us.

We love our machine and recommend it. God, this sounds like a commercial. Sorry.

[iSign]

the danger of machines that don't smell... is that you may think it is not emitting poisenous fumes. IT IS!!

...anyway, I'm sure you knew that, but for those who don't... VENTILATION IS A MUST for ANY solvent printers including "eco-solvent"

[WVB]

The DC3 has been replaced with the DC4 so do the same answers apply to the new DC4?

[Fred Weiss]

Pretty much. I looked at it at the show.

With the DC-4 I'm pretty sure you are now locked into even wider material without the ability to run smaller widths. You still have very limited places to buy supplies and get support or service. As far as I know you still can't run a variety of materials or print banners with it or have options from any aftermarket suppliers.

So it's good for large print-and-cut pressure sensitive graphics. Is that what you want it for and do you have enough of that need to cost justify it?

[RobGF]

Pretty much. I looked at it at the show.

With the DC-4 I'm pretty sure you are now locked into even wider material without the ability to run smaller widths...

Not that I am a big fan of the product but they are claiming 24" minimum width on the machine.

Summa DC4 Features
• Prints and cuts up to 50.2 inches wide
• 304x304 and 304x609 dpi print modes
• Contour-cuts at up to 24 inches per second
• Variable width media from 24 to 54 inches
• Holds and auto-exchanges up to 8 colors
• Process, spot-color and spot-metallic printing
• ColorControl RIP software for Windows
• Double-density print mode for back-lit signs

[GB2]

"The VersaCamm and other Roland inkjets, the Mimaki, the Mutoh all service the same market for printed decals but add banners to the mix. The only thing they don't do is spot colors so there are no metallic foils or ability to lay down white on clear. But I think we both agree the Gerber Edge is the clear choice for these needs."

Fred...forgive my ignorance but, could you please clarify this a bit. The digital printers have the ability to print consistent solid color, correct? I'm not sure I understand your comparison to Gerber Spot Color.

[Fred Weiss]

"The VersaCamm and other Roland inkjets, the Mimaki, the Mutoh all service the same market for printed decals but add banners to the mix. The only thing they don't do is spot colors so there are no metallic foils or ability to lay down white on clear. But I think we both agree the Gerber Edge is the clear choice for these needs."

Fred...forgive my ignorance but, could you please clarify this a bit. The digital printers have the ability to print consistent solid color, correct? I'm not sure I understand your comparison to Gerber Spot Color.

Yes but this is done with percentage color mixing in concert with color management profiles. Results will vary widely with the experience of the operator and other factors. Most process color systems have difficulty in achieving vibrant colors across the spectrum. Spot colors are dedicated preset colors just like vinyl that will give you a consistent result time after time. If I load a Ruby Red ribbon in my Edge, I get Ruby Red without variance and without halftone patterns. If I do a repeat of the job a year later, it will look the same. The difference is consistency and predictability.

[SAS]

I also look at the DC-4 at the show the guy said it will accept media from 24 to 54 inches. Cost per sq. ft. was around $2.20 I went to the show to look at all the printers, well just two the DC-4 and the Roland Versacamm 54" same price but with the cost of running the Roland about a dollar cheaper I think I'm going to go with it. But I have not acted on it this week because I still don't know if I want it. That's a big investment not look at all options. Any one have any input on the DC-4 or Versacamm that has not been said?

[GraphixCALC]

I just read that they have some "new print modes" that will allow it to print on specialty materials such as banner material. If I didn't already have my SP540, I'd be a lot more interested in this unit.

[2NinerNiner2]

SAS - I beieve that Fred has mentioned something along this line in his previous posts in this thread and I'll reiterate: where is the dealer? Here in Montreal, I have 2 Roland dealers, on the same street, 3 blocks apart! :) Made my decision quite easy :)

[Fred Weiss]

There's a guy three miles away from me with a DC-3. He has it in a clean room with a filtered power source. About a year ago he started having some dropouts appearing in his prints. 3,600 miles away a voice suggested he wipe off his vinyl and he did and that didn't fix it. Then the voice said try a new roll of vinyl ... and he did and that didn't fix it. Then parts arrived one at a time by air freight and replacing them did not fix it. Finally after more than two weeks of down time he paid to have a technician flown in and it was finally fixed.

All told the repair cost him around $4,000 and almost three weeks of orders not produced ... a fair number of them lost forever. Summa had no dealer and no way to provide a loaner machine. The customer paid the price.

He got a great deal on the machine. Less than $19,000. He paid his savings back and then some with one major breakdown.

I can't speak to the DC-4 having any ability to run banners. The predecessors of this model did not have the ability to image onto materials that were not super smooth and very thin. Even imaging onto reflective was out of the question. If they claim to be able to image onto banners, I would have to conclude that it was specially made, not particularly strong and likely pricey.

But at somewhere north of $2.20 a square foot under ideal usage conditions, I would have to rule out using a DC-4 for making banners anyway. So there we are, back where we started. My current costs to image with my Edge using Oracal 751 and CMYK Duracoat foils is less than $1.70 a foot. I can run a lot more kinds of materials through the machine as well and repair costs are greatly reduced by having dealers within a reasonable distance and shippable loaners awaiting my need.

[Techman]

frog juice and they DO NOT recommend it for digital prints

I used frog juice on printed work. Was told it is great for it. However. It smeared my work. It melts the back side magnetic material if it runs back there. And, It flakes off.

So, take for what its worth. Frog juice is not suitable for printed work. And if you wish,, send me shipping and you can have a can of unopened frog juice.
I'd rather use floor wax..

[TresL]

I'm with Techman, I have never had great results with Frog Juice on anything printed.......

It is VERY harsh and takes a VERY long time to dry, even when used in very light coats....

[threeputt]

Doug, good point! Does anyone know of a finite way to know how much ventillation is needed? We work in an area with 14 foot ceilings (5000 foot shop). But is that adequate? Do you know firsthand of anyone getting sick or having some sort of symptoms?

I've been in this industry all my life and that includes screenprinting with no ventillation, painting with paints and solvents, etc. So I'm probably ruined already. But there is the employees to think about.

Charles

[ColorFast]

In Regards to Ventilation,
I am currently employed at a SMALL sign shop running a 54" Roland VersaCamm. Of course the salesman told my boss that ventilation was absolutley NOT required since it runs ECO-SOL max ink. Well, since then, we have had a number of days when employees would leave with headaches. On the worst day, our CSR lost her vision and 3 other employees had headaches/dizziness. Now, a number of factors could have caused this I suppose but these problems were non-existent before the new printer arrived (Oct.). The printer itself is great (except for $@#%# print-lam-cut jobs). Be advised, never listen to a salesman.

[Schultz Designs]

When You print, laminate and cut a job, do you have to adjust blade pressure to cut through both vinyl and overlaminate? Just curious...

[Steve C.]

When You print, laminate and cut a job, do you have to adjust blade pressure to cut through both vinyl and overlaminate? Just curious...

Yes.

[Schultz Designs]

Thanks. But what about blade stick out... I keep my blade quite short to the holder, just long enough to cut 3 mil material without dragging. This would definitely be not enough. How far out would you leave your blade tip?

[2NinerNiner2]

Kevin - I gave my SP-300 one full turn "out" and it seems to be cutting both laminate and vinyl just fine now :)

[WVB]

DC4 runs .40 cents pc (per color) psqf (per square foot). So a 3 color print will run you $1.29 sqf with out material. Summa has stated you can use other vinyl films such as Oracal/3M etc. through the DC4. You can also print directly to banner material. Although the banner material is only 12oz or 13oz material and you have to go through Summa for such. The banner material alone will run you $1 sqf. You can run CMYK or spot colors through the DC4 and each ribbon will supply you with 369 sqf total of printing before replacing ribbon. There is also a foil available to laminate the prints as well. With that being said I would take it you would still need to tape app the film for install? Or you can run the prints through a cold/hot laminator. Is the DC4 not identical to a Edge only larger? The DC4 will accept media in three sizes 24", 30" and 54" I am not sure why they have done this? If the machine is capable of 24" widths up to 54" widths why no 48" widths or any size inbetween for that matter such as scrap material left overs? Summa is sending me some info along with a file I sent them for printing to compare.

[wildside]

Does anyone know of a finite way to know how much ventillation is needed? We work in an area with 14 foot ceilings (5000 foot shop). But is that adequate? Do you know firsthand of anyone getting sick or having some sort of symptoms?

I used to work for a shop that had a mimaki jv3-160

it was housed in a room maybe 10ftX20ft, had the recommended ventilation system for the size of room and the machine. close the doors and run the machine no problem, nothing but a faint smell during long runs

then they switched to a seiko colorpainter, same room and was told the ventilation systems was more than accurate

well, anyone in the room for more than 30 minutes had a serious headache, one of the girls got sick....not hospital sick, but everyone knew what she had for lunch...i always got headaches with the sieko, but i think the ventilation system should match the room and the printer, be carefull of the air movement, the owner tried putting fans in to help, it did aleviate the headaches, but then there were dust particals in the prints..

[iSign]

spend the $5K for an air duster & be done with it. Whats a few brain cells worth anyway?

[printman716]

Just a NOTE! I purchased a mutho falcon outdoor with a graftec 64 cutter And a Lamanator. and let me tell you It was the best Investment I'v made.
It had some bugs in the begining but masterd the machine and can fix, maintain & control all aspects of the machine & profiles. I'v put a bulk Ink system on It with outher company inks (saves a **** load of MONEY!). I'v done shirts, mugs,hats, mouse pads, full color prints for lightboxes ,wraps,contour cut decals, Billboards, boats, 18 wheelers, full color magnets, even full color lawn signs for 45.00 each @ 50. you name IT I'v done It! I'v made more money in the last 15 months than i did in two years without It. So don't think about It anymore just do It!.........Phil @ printman716@aol.com

[printman716]

Just a NOTE! I purchased a mutho falcon outdoor with a graftec 64 cutter. And a Lamanator. and let me tell you It was the best Investment I'v made.
It had some bugs in the begining but masterd the machine and can fix, maintain & control all aspects of the machine & profiles. I put a bulk Ink system on It (saves alot of MONEY!). I'v done shirts, mugs, hats, mouse pads, full color prints for lightboxes ,wraps, contour cut decals, Billboards, boats, 18 wheelers, full color magnets, even full color lawn signs for 45.00 each @ 50. you name IT I'v done It! I'v made more money in the last 15 months than i did in two years without It. So don't think about It anymore just do It!.........Phil @ printman716@aol.com