When not to use cast?

[yellowmack]

I know cast viynl is best for vehicle lettering and outdoor apps. Is there anytime when you wouldn't use cast on an outdoor app?

I have been doing small window decals for soccer clubs....I could probably do them cheaper with calendared viynl....would anyone suggest this?

[imaSIGNr]

temporary jobs.

[ovrcafnatd]

I'm doing a bunch of 'in memory of' decals (white vinyl only) right now
and I started with some calendared, but WHAT a pain to try and weed
small type with calendared...it just doesn't weed as easy as a nice
cast. So I just gave up and switched to Cast. It will save me money
in the long run if I don't have to take so much time to produce them.

I use Calendared for temp. jobs like imaSignr says
temp. banners
temp. coro signs etc.

[grafxxx]

:Cool 2: if your just doing those window decals i would just go with calendered i mean a roll of 24" x10yards of calon is only $30 i mean it's good for 3-5 years out doors. jsut my 2 cents:smile:

[imaSIGNr]

I'm doing a bunch of 'in memory of' decals (white vinyl only) right now
and I started with some calendared, but WHAT a pain to try and weed
small type with calendared...it just doesn't weed as easy as a nice
cast. So I just gave up and switched to Cast. It will save me money
in the long run if I don't have to take so much time to produce them.

I use Calendared for temp. jobs like imaSignr says
temp. banners
temp. coro signs etc.
I've always found that cal.vinyl weeded better than cast......my.02

[Gino]

Just a question here…….

When one finds a ‘Cheaper’ solution for producing a particular job that was quoted out at the higher price, does one then pass that savings onto the customer, thus reducing his/her final cost ??
OR
Do you pocket the savings and now have a new way of getting more profit ??

:help:

[dswanson]

I always find calendared to weed easier as well. And I just don't see any real price difference (that truly makes a difference) if you are charging appropriate pricing vinyl is a very small cost of any project in my opinion. For examply your small soccer club decals lets just say they are just under 6" X 6" so you could get 5up and 6deep out of a 30" yard of material that is 30 decals and you would have to be pricing them ridiculously low to not be able to make a profit, for the record I would use calendared for this project just because it weeds easier and there really is no reason for the longevity of cast but regardless the vinyl cost is a very small part of this equation from my point of view

[imaSIGNr]

I feel that I pass it on to the customer, cause I normally only use cal for temporary signage so cust. gets a better price.( Almost always HP for permanent signage ) Or if someone says' how can I get it for le$$ ? ",Then I'll give them cal., but also tell them it won't last as long and the edges may recede and get glue marks and all that.

[Rich]

High Performance for long term signage, windows, truck lettering, etc.

Calendered Vinyls for temporary jobs, banners, job site, etc.

[JimJenson]

Just a question here…….

When one finds a ‘Cheaper’ solution for producing a particular job that was quoted out at the higher price, does one then pass that savings onto the customer, thus reducing his/her final cost ??

<B>OR</B>
Do you pocket the savings and now have a new way of getting more profit ??

:help:

I always viewed pricing and quoting as the amount of money the industry will bear, not so much the cost or time it takes to do a job. Time does play a factor, but does not solely dictate price.
If the industry will bear 150 an hour, I dont have a problem with it. You quoted it, they accepted it, keep the change!

[edit] unless you spelled out the material details in the quote. If thats the case, use the better material.

[Bogie]

If I do a job, and it starts to suck a coupla years down the road, then I may as well figure on picking up and moving every two years...

Face it. The price difference, per square foot, isn't all that much. What costs is the time we put into it.

IMHO, if I'm selling someone something for $50, and it cost me under $2 in raw materials, I figure I can afford to take it to $2.50 or so for the extra added "quality" peace of mind.

Call it a "quality tax."

[yellowmack]

I feel calendared is easier to weed too...thats why i asked this question....because weeding 200 soccer decals on cast sucks! and cast is more expensive then calendared by like 30 bucks a roll...so where are all you guys getting ripped off or finding the great deals at?

[creative]

most of us find the cal easier to work with 'cause is thicker and cheaper, but HP is way better for everyting, however I will not use it for smalll decals.

[CV Signs]

I hate weeding Oracal 641 or 651. Especially the small stuff cuz it sticks together. I never have worries weeding cast. I could probably do it blindfolded.

[Techman]

Do you pocket the savings and now have a new way of getting more profit ??

A smart business always keeps the profit, looks for better ways to do the same quality work for less.
Passing on savings to the customer is not good business. ITs stupid.

[Ken]

Thanks Techman..I needed that...
I always find high performance(cast vinyl) waaaay easier to weed.
Doing small text, even if it's only going on coro, I'd rather use cast material.
Cheers!
Ken

[Checkers]

The only time I use calendered vinyl is on temporary/coroplast signs and most banners.
Unless it's a very large project, the savings between cast and calendered material is minimal. On a typical sign 2' x 6' one color sign, your client may save $20.
I stock a limited number of colors in calendered. If the client wants a color I don't normally stock for a "cheap", they'll either pay to upgrade to HP vinyl or pay for the roll of material.

Checkers

[johnnysigns]

we use heaps of A6. personally, i think it's a breeze to install on vehicles/trailers.

[aaa_awesome_signs]

I'm in sunny fl and i hardly ever use cast. it's way too expensive and way overrated. I use it on boats and people i really like. The rest of the get calandared. Like someone said, cal. will last 2-5 years easily. How long do you think these people have these signs, anyway? You just have to refrain from telling them that cast will last 7-10 years. Then they're always gonna want it. And, the price to the customer from cal to cast usually isnt as much as buying cal vs. cast.

So always use cal. save some money.

[Matt Cuellar]

Cast vinyl for permanent or longer term jobs, more curves or things that need to be stretched or conformed...

Calendared for temporary jobs...short-term A-boards, windows, etc.

Matt

[PhilinMarlton]

I'm in sunny fl and i hardly ever use cast. it's way too expensive and way overrated. I use it on boats and people i really like. The rest of the get calandared. Like someone said, cal. will last 2-5 years easily. How long do you think these people have these signs, anyway? You just have to refrain from telling them that cast will last 7-10 years. Then they're always gonna want it. And, the price to the customer from cal to cast usually isnt as much as buying cal vs. cast.

So always use cal. save some money.

personally, i'd view that as an irresponsible practice.

if those of us in the industry do not make every effort to elevate the quality of the products produced... as we know we're capable of doing, then we've traded short term gains for longer term losses. and that's not fair to the sign makers who are producing quality products. phil

[johnnysigns]

what's to say using a 5yr vinyl for truck doors on a 3yr lease not quality?

[wes70]

Mainly use calendered. Cast when needed. Big price difference for me.

Calendered 24" - $104.50 50yards
Cast 24" - $335.00 50yards

Wes

[Checkers]

I've used 6 year rated vinyl and seen it fail in less than a year because it could not handle the environment it was exposed to. For a boat, this could be UV exposure near the water, or, for a vehicle, chemicals from a car wash.
As I mentioned previously you may save the client $20 on a typical lettering job by using calendered. However, our out of pocket difference, per job is much less.
Sure, over time, the price difference adds up. But my reputation, a satisified clients and repeat business are more important than the few dollars saved.
Besides, I don't care what the materials cost, I don't pay for them. My clients do :)

Checkers