Concrete Vinyl...1 more time...

[SwiSh]

Just want to give Thanks for all the reply's and suggestions about the vinyl on concrete situation. You all were very helpful!!

Just a couple of quick follow ups, if you don't mind...

ChicagoGraphics- You never did let me know the name of the new vinyl you were going to suggest for brick walls. What is it, I'm curious!? By the way, I just got back from Chicago over the weekend! If I had read your post before I left, I would have tried to search out your shop!! I was between Downtown and Wrigley all weekend.

George Kern- Thanks for the suggestion on the 3M stuff! I'm looking it up after I'm done typing.

JillBeans- I'm not familiar with a fitch. Enlighten me, please! I'll also search it out as well.

Thanks again Y'all!! You've been a great help!!
SwiSh
:U Rock:

[Jackpine]

"fitch" a stiff bristle lettering brush used for rough and uneven surfaces.

[Checkers]

Swish,
There was a product announcement in one of the recent( last issue or 2) trade magazines about the media Chicago was talking about. It is made to be applied directly to concrete.

Checkers

[Kenny]

Yep, was in the latest Sign Business or Digital Graphics magazine...I'll have to check when I get back to the house...was a 3M product.

[Marlene]

3M IJ8624. type in 3M IJ8624 Scotchcal Film in search, there's a 3M soultions ite with a PDF that tells you all about the product

or go to www.signbusinessmag.com fast facts #413

[Kenny]

Here's the link to the PDF: 3M Link (http://solutions.3m.com/3MContentRetrievalAPI/BlobServlet?locale=en_US&univid=1178227214432&fallback=true&assetType=MMM_Image&blobAttribute=ImageFile&placeId=4399&version=current)

[Si Allen]

Before you get too excited asbout this stuff....read the disclaimer!

Unsuitable End Uses for This Film
• Application to the following is not recommended:
- Outdoor applications in hot, sunny locations
- Outdoor surfaces exposed to freeze and thaw
temperatures
- Any type of wallboard or wallpaper
- Mortar joints deeper or higher than 1/8” and
square−cut or undercut mortar joints
- Smooth surfaces; please contact your 3M sales
representative to identify films for other types of
surfaces that can be used in adjacent areas
- Windows
- Applications that require removal without risk of
damage to the substrate or its finish, such as paint
! Caution
Be aware that graphics installed outdoors can develop
mold or mildew on top of or behind the graphic, which
may be a health concern for some individuals,
especially during graphic removal.
Characteristics
All values given are typical for unprocessed film unless
noted otherwise and are not for use in specifications. Processing
film may change certain values. If you have questions
about your construction, contact the Technical Service
helpline at 1-800-328-3908.

[RJ California]

I just talked with 3M about IJ8624 yesterday. I found out it has a 30 day exterior life. This killed my interest in the product. Cost is around $615 for a 54" x 50 yard roll.

[SwiSh]

Hey SI,
Where did you find that disclaimer?? I've been looking for it and locate it. Thanks!!
SwiSh

[Replicator]

I just talked with 3M about IJ8624 yesterday. I found out it has a 30 day exterior life. This killed my interest in the product. Cost is around $615 for a 54" x 50 yard roll.

Way to $$$-pricey-$$$ for such a short life span . . . !

[AllSquare Jason]

Guys - I am a little late on this one - but also look into the Arlon DPF 8000. Excelllent print quality - excellent adhesion to Cement.

Check this out (as posted by me on www.printingdigital.net (http://www.printingdigital.net)):

Arlon has an Engineering Grade Vinyl made for 'hard to stick' surfaces.

This is the exact material they used to wrap the PALMS CASINO & Resort in Vegas.

http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/angels/bts/vegas1.jpg

From Arlon's website:

DPF 8000 is a 3.8-mil satin white, high-tensile, polyvinyl chloride film with aggressive, permanent pressure-sensitive adhesive. Designed for indoor and outdoor graphics, DPF 8000 is made of 100% polymeric face stock with a special lay-flat liner. The special adhesive system is designed to stick to “hard-to-stick” surfaces and low energy surfaces. DPF 8000 is designed to meet the marking requirements and specifications of the transportation, vending, and automotive industries. The film conforms well to flat surfaces with slight contours when processed and applied according to Arlon recommendations. DPF 8000 is rated for outdoor durability up to 7 years (unprinted).

Less than .50 per sq ft.

Call or email me if you need more info or a sample roll!