A Contest: Mason vs Flamey [Archive]

Mason

06-22-2007, 10:03 AM

Now Mason you can come and wrap my Dodge.................lol

How long did it take and if you don't mind me askin' How much you charged............

Nice layout and install dude.....................

I started Monday, finished the Passenger side Mon nite, Drivers side Tuesday, Hood and Tailgate Wed, Thursday Windows, clean up and delivery.

The hoods on these Rams are a real biatch, the tailgate which is currently on this one has about a 4" crush right in the top from a bobcat, I found him a used one that needs paint so when he comes back with it Ive got another tailgate to do for it.

Total for this gem, 4400.00

Add another day for building all the parts. Design time is part of the price.

Gino

06-22-2007, 10:15 AM

A job very well done. :thumb:

I predict.... there will be no contest here. lol

wsgraphix

06-22-2007, 10:16 AM

dodge's are fun to do, doesn't look like you had to go over the add on rounded flares on the wheel weels, those are lots of fun

nice work!!:U Rock:

animenick65

06-22-2007, 10:19 AM

Nice Mason. Good price too. What vinyl did you use?

JBarraxSW

06-22-2007, 10:20 AM

Nice job Mason

Mason

06-22-2007, 10:31 AM

Nice Mason. Good price too. What vinyl did you use?

Oracal 3951, Oraguard 290G Laminate

Sign_Boy

06-22-2007, 10:41 AM

Nice work Mason

bevets

06-22-2007, 10:50 AM

No offense here.... But I noticed that most wraps I see are too hard to read. Maybe it's just the design/color combos. I have rarely seen one that looks good for advertising value.

steveb

mark in tx

06-22-2007, 10:55 AM

Looks real good!
One question though, why didn't you move the copy on the sides forward so it wouldn't be split between cab and bed?

Mason

06-22-2007, 11:01 AM

Looks real good!
One question though, why didn't you move the copy on the sides forward so it wouldn't be split between cab and bed?

No reason really, I looked at it both ways, the customer and I both liked it better bigger, to move it forward wouldve meant a reduction in size albeit not very much but enough..

Mason

06-22-2007, 11:06 AM

No offense here.... But I noticed that most wraps I see are too hard to read. Maybe it's just the design/color combos. I have rarely seen one that looks good for advertising value.

steveb

You know, I can read it, pretty easily, the customer loves it, his cash payment was good, and have you ever wrapped anything?

There is more advertising value in a vehicle wrap than any other form of advertising currently.

This guy came in because he saw my wrapped truck, which by the way has no text on it. He bought this warp based on the how impressed he was with my own. So there does seem to be a great deal of "Advertising value"

No offense.
/rant

Pat Whatley

06-22-2007, 11:09 AM

It looks crooked on the drivers side.

Mason

06-22-2007, 11:13 AM

It looks crooked on the drivers side.

Nice catch, it is. My bad.

Flame

06-22-2007, 11:17 AM

Flip..... lol. Nice job. And I had to put my wrap job off for a little while. I'll wrap my bike soon, how's that?

:wink:

Looks good Mason. I'll see if I can step up to the plate soon.

Mason

06-22-2007, 11:19 AM

Flip..... lol. Nice job. And I had to put my wrap job off for a little while. I'll wrap my bike soon, how's that?

:wink:

Looks good Mason. I'll see if I can step up to the plate soon.

Its all good, lets see that bike soon though..

njsigns

06-22-2007, 11:23 AM

Nice job Mason - looks great from where I'm standing! All done with an SP-300V too! Who says you need 54" machine to do this type of work?!?!

Gene

bevets

06-22-2007, 11:41 AM

Wow, That is way crooked! LOL. It took me so long to make out the word irritation that I overlooked that blunder

steveb

Replicator

06-22-2007, 11:48 AM

Damn! . . . It's upside down on the passenger side . . . What the hell is wrong with you man ?

mbarden

06-22-2007, 12:31 PM

Great job Mason.
Mike B
Big River Sign Co.

CV Signs

06-22-2007, 12:42 PM

Sorry to throw the thread off course, but how do you get a wrap straight? I've been thinking about this for a while and I cant seem to come up with anything.

dclet

06-22-2007, 12:56 PM

Sorry to throw the thread off course, but how do you get a wrap straight? I've been thinking about this for a while and I cant seem to come up with anything.

he's kidding right?

nice job mason.

Pat Whatley

06-22-2007, 01:00 PM

Sorry to throw the thread off course, but how do you get a wrap straight? I've been thinking about this for a while and I cant seem to come up with anything.

Ruler? :Big Laugh

CV Signs

06-22-2007, 01:05 PM

I get that, but do you measure with the liner on, or what? I'm just unclear how you would go about doing it.

Mason

06-22-2007, 02:04 PM

Wow, That is way crooked! LOL. It took me so long to make out the word irritation that I overlooked that blunder

steveb
The only irritant I see is someone named bevets...:Sleeping:

mladams7259

06-22-2007, 02:20 PM

Looks great Mason!

Rich

06-22-2007, 02:44 PM

:thumb:

taco

06-23-2007, 03:16 AM

Wow, that is really sharp..... how did you do the panels.... vertical or horizontal????? Ya know I am getting ready to do mine.......LOL

TaCo

Ken

06-23-2007, 03:51 AM

For my $4400, I would avoid that large gap between the cab and the box. I think it could have been shifted towards the front. It's a nice layout and all..
Readable is needable.
Can't envision anyone around here paying that price. 2K, more like it.
More power to ya for this done deal.
Cheers!
Ken

iSign

06-23-2007, 04:06 AM

For my $4400, I would avoid that large gap between the cab and the box. I think it could have been shifted towards the front.

really... that's over an inch, you could just throw off the balance of that nice 20' layout and scrunch it to whatever misses that inch and a half...

but nahhh that would F up a good thing, just to fix a completely irrelevant non-issue.
Looks awesome as is!

Ken

06-23-2007, 04:53 AM

I always thought that readability of any sign was an issue.
A big black line ( the gap) thru the text, erasing letters, seems to me to be incorrect.
Perhaps in Paradise this is not so.
Signed, Ken

iSign

06-23-2007, 05:16 AM

no question that legability & readability are key... I just question if that gap has any effect on readability.
Photos can give an illusion of poor contrast when reality might be better, but I'll concede that this could have better contrast if that was a concern, however, after 5 minutes in photoshop, I still think that size reduction alone does nothing to improve readability even though the offensive gap no longer interferes with the layout. That was my only point of contention.

Mason

06-23-2007, 08:02 AM

You guys can bicker about whether or not the gap in the text holds the key to world peace or proof of life on Mars, but the customer is very happy and in my little corner of the world thats all that really matters. I know where the weaknesses are and where the strengths are, I know where I made mistakes and where I didnt, again the customer is happy, Im sure we could all spend days tearing each others layouts/work apart, if it results in nothing positive, whats the point?

azcolor

06-23-2007, 08:18 AM

I would lose money with that time frame.

weaselboogie

06-23-2007, 09:27 AM

Im sure we could all spend days tearing each others layouts/work apart, if it results in nothing positive, whats the point?

Growth.

johnnysigns

06-23-2007, 10:06 AM

the layout over the cab/bed seem looks fine to me.

Steve C.

06-23-2007, 10:43 AM

Mason

06-23-2007, 11:15 AM

I would lose money with that time frame.

Do you work alone? if so then you would realize the complications of doing an install like this and still have to deal with other customers who are also looking for their jobs to finished/started/whatever, no simple task as a solo act..

Mason

06-23-2007, 11:16 AM

The gap is no big deal. It looks great. And readability to me is not a problem
I can read it just fine. More important, sometimes, is "Take Appeal". Do
people do a double take when they seed it? I believe they will. A wrap like
this gets lots of turned heads, Then they will read it. Great Job Mason.
The right side is a problem though. I'm afraid I would have had to re-do it.

I offered, he declined and said it was fine with him.looks worse in the pic than it actually does in RL.

My offer still stands however should he change his mind.

ddubia

06-23-2007, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by bevets http://signs101.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://signs101.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176253#post176253)
No offense here.... But I noticed that most wraps I see are too hard to read. Maybe it's just the design/color combos. I have rarely seen one that looks good for advertising value.

steveb

You know, I can read it, pretty easily, the customer loves it, his cash payment was good, and have you ever wrapped anything? ...

No offense.
/rant

Although this wrap does read pretty well, I agree with bevets that a lot of wraps are hard to read. I studied yours for a moment for that very issue and decided that to me it passed the readabliliy test. :thumb:

But I've seen a lot of them that probably look really great on the monitor but do not translate well as a large format wrap.

I think the issue is usually, on those that are hard to read, that the background and the copy are both tricked-out to the max which causes them to lose the contrast that's needed for the copy to punch.

Before you ask, I've never done a wrap and certainly would not get in a contest vs. you. :Big Laugh

I wanted to mention too, that your background, especially the water drops, have a ton of depth and is certainly an eye-popper. I can't imagine anyone not pausing to watch that truck all the way down the road.

Really good job.

flat rock stan

06-23-2007, 12:26 PM

Looks great Mason! Looking at some of the hood on newer stuff makes me wish I had bought a 60 inch machine. How wide and long was that hood?
Stan

Jackpine

06-23-2007, 12:33 PM

Nice job! You are right, the customer is happy.

isag

06-23-2007, 01:23 PM

It looks crooked on the drivers side.

Mason ...... nice job. Nothing in life is perfect ... the average non sign making or artistic person see what some ... artistic people can see. The big picture is ... that you did a fine job. If you where off by a large margin then that would be a serious consideration. Overall ... nice job.

Whatley ... constructive critisism is great in life, and ... so is positive feedback on the big picture. 3 times now in different threads I have seen nothing but negative from your posts. Do you have anything positive to say to people who actually deserve it? Where are your examples? Let see your work.

In any event ..... if you have something to say constructively that's fine ... do you ever follow up with some positive thoughts? As a Lieutenant in the FD leading my men ........ balance is what makes the world spin.

The next one you (wrap) will be perfectly level MASON .......... and we can all stare at it for hours at a time ....... to make sure .......... lol .... at 35-55 mph I think it looks perfectly level. By yourself a steak with that $4400.00 you deserve it. JMO ... signed: sick of the non constructive negativity on s101 ......... Mike

Replicator

06-23-2007, 01:30 PM

Whatley ... constructive critisism is great in life, and ... so is positive feedback on the big picture. 3 times now in different threads I have seen nothing but negative from your posts. Do you have anything positive to say to people who actually deserve it? Where are your examples? Let see your work.

You wont see any examples from Pat . . . He just likes to put others down here ! :Sleeping:

Mason

06-23-2007, 04:32 PM

Looks great Mason! Looking at some of the hood on newer stuff makes me wish I had bought a 60 inch machine. How wide and long was that hood?
Stan
The hood on that thing is 88" X 62" and has too many angles.. not quite as easy as it looks... not at all..

Replicator

06-23-2007, 04:36 PM

Great Work . . . Boston !

Mason

06-23-2007, 04:38 PM

Thanks Rep..

JERHEMI

06-23-2007, 04:43 PM

I agree with "isag"! Good job!

iSign

06-23-2007, 05:34 PM

You guys can bicker about whether or not the gap in the text holds the key to world peace...
Im sure we could all spend days tearing each others layouts/work apart, if it results in nothing positive, whats the point?

your welcome.

you act like I'm part of the problem here, when I'm defending your work. I'm not looking for any appreciative words.. I'd just as soon be ignored...

...but since it takes 2 to "bicker", the way I read it, you're ragging on me for having an opinion, even if it's on your side... time to grow a thicker skin.

BTW, isag... 2 or 3 weeks here & now you're signed: "sick of the non constructive negativity on s101" ??
not that I support negativity... but I'm not guessing the that fine balancing act of anonymous anarchy here is going to change for you just yet...

isag

06-23-2007, 05:44 PM

was I addressing you iSign? didn't think so.

isag

06-23-2007, 05:48 PM

high impact

06-23-2007, 05:53 PM

AND the blows get "lower"!!! WHew

Keep 'em above the belt boys! hehehe

Steve C.

06-23-2007, 06:01 PM

Pat Whatley was the winner of the Shagnasty Bros. Design Contest....
So show a little respect. Pointing out the obvious is not Negativity.

Sign_Boy

06-23-2007, 06:31 PM

Pat Whatley was the winner of the Shagnasty Bros. Design Contest....
So show a little respect. Pointing out the obvious is not Negativity.

Not to be a :thread but this made me wet myself
:Oops:

http://www.signs101.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11269

iSign

06-23-2007, 06:33 PM

iSign ....... for the record ... btw .... I will kick your butt in drumming ..... lol ..... don't worry about how many weeks I have been here ... do I look like a potted plant? Think not .............
well I've seen how you force your art into a signblank already, so I won't subject myself to proof on your other claims to creativity. I'm just happy for you that you may actually have some somewhere.

Regarding your n00b status here, I could care less if you stay sick or not... but seems like you've already chosen the "when-in rome" philosophy, so dish it out all you want... I can take it :wink:

Mason

06-23-2007, 06:39 PM

iSign, if was addressing you specifically, I would have started out exactly as I have in this post, with your name.

My skin is quite thick, it'll take a little more than generalizations to get me riled up. Im just not sure where we end up if we bicker with one another as opposed to helping each other constructively and thereby raising the bar for our industry.

no offense meant to anyone..

isag

06-23-2007, 06:49 PM

well I've seen how you force your art into a signblank already, so I won't subject myself to proof on your other claims to creativity. I'm just happy for you that you may actually have some somewhere.

Regarding your n00b status here, I could care less if you stay sick or not... but seems like you've already chosen the "when-in rome" philosophy, so dish it out all you want... I can take it :wink:

"stay sick or not"? Rome? what the heck is that?

wow .........

claims to creativity? ....... read my threads ... I am my biggest critic ......

Ok I understand now what I am dealing with.

Just because new members have opinions on here ...... doesn't mean we have to sit back for the next three years ......... while some who are condecending blast all the new people, without construction. That's the point .......... so if your Rome comment has to do with I don't get pushed around easily ... well ......... then your correct.

Now I have to go grill some steaks ..... my comment still stands ... if Pat has a one line sentence or word denoting whats negative ... I would love to see what he has to say that is positive ....... since he is the big sign contest winner. Then everyone wins. I'll still kick your butt in drumming lol.

Care for a youtube best song video drumming .... contest?

Play nice in the sand box before the rain comes and creates mudd ............

~M

iSign

06-23-2007, 06:52 PM

I just think Ken really believed his observation was a constructive concern, yet I've consistently admired your work more then his... so I initially just responded to his observation with my contrary opinion.

When he posted that he still felt that it was a legitimate issue of legability, I thought if a picture is worth a thousand words... why not have a look.

You seemed bummed by the "bickering" but I saw it as trying to help Ken see my point of view, after him trying to share his. It does get negative here though... no argument there.

at the end of the day, I still think:
The only irritant I see is someone named bevets...:Sleeping: :Big Laugh (although there are some runners up now)

Gino

06-23-2007, 06:55 PM

At Ease...........

:beer :beer :beer for you....and :beer :beer :beer for you.....

:peace!: :unclesam:

Mason

06-23-2007, 06:59 PM

I just think Ken really believed his observation was a constructive concern, yet I've consistently admired your work more then his... so I initially just responded to his observation with my contrary opinion.

When he posted that he still felt that it was a legitimate issue of legability, I thought if a picture is worth a thousand words... why not have a look.

You seemed bummed by the "bickering" but I saw it as trying to help Ken see my point of view, after him trying to share his. It does get negative here though... no argument there.

at the end of the day, I still think:
:Big Laugh (although there are some runners up now)

Its all good..

So how is the Island Paradise anyway??

iSign

06-23-2007, 07:05 PM

"stay sick or not"? Rome? what the heck is that?

wow .........

this whole sideline discussion is because I quoted you on your "sick of negativity at signs101" comment...

...so "stay sick or not" meant you can continue to let the way things are here make you sick...

...or not.

Surely you've heard "when in Rome, do as the Romans"? ...I was simply observing that you seemed to have no problem turning out your own negative commentary... so it appeared you will fit right in afterall :smile:

claims to creativity?
sorry... my bad, I thought the "kick your butt in drumming" had to do with claims to creativity...
...maybe you just wanted to pummel me with your drumsticks :rolleyes:

As far as youtube... I've already played on stage in front of 100 Letterheads, so you can post up yours & let them vote :thumb:

isag

06-23-2007, 08:24 PM

Flame

06-23-2007, 08:27 PM

For the love of Pete............. give it a rest guys!

iSign

06-23-2007, 08:36 PM

I make no claim to be a big sign guy, but I don't suck at basic layouts, so I'll accept your compliment.

hundreds, thousands... B F D, I said hundreds of LETTERHEADS! ... like people HERE. There's no video, besides, I'm not the childish fool calling you out...
post your F'n video if you got something to prove.

I've been playing drums since before your boyband babyface was born & I play to have FUN... Period! ...the fact I've been getting paid for it for 3 decades is just icing on the cake...

jdb

06-23-2007, 10:23 PM

Hey Mason, I think you did a very good job there. I'm gearing up to do one of these myself. Your layouts are good, thats the most important part of any advertising.

PMG

06-23-2007, 10:29 PM

Let Rock-n-Roll boys get those vids going and lets do the John Bonham Moby Dick solo . Here is a vid to refresh your memory's:peace!:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4190110225090266760

skyhigh

06-24-2007, 12:00 AM

let's see your video .... lol iSign ... let's do it! pummel you with my drumsticks ... lmao ....... no that was not what I meant ... played in front of 100's ehhh ........ wow cool, I'm impressed ......... you show your video I'll show you mine in front of thousands ........ not a big sign guy like you but I'll still kick your butt in drumming .... LMAO ...... peace!

getting pretty childish isag.....
I would have to think that IF you were as good with those sticks as you keep bragging about, then you would give up your signman....I mean fireman job and hit the road.

I for one would love to see your video.....get er posted buddy.:thumb:

isag

06-24-2007, 12:22 AM

getting pretty childish isag.....
I would have to think that IF you were as good with those sticks as you keep bragging about, then you would give up your signman....I mean fireman job and hit the road.

I for one would love to see your video.....get er posted buddy.:thumb:

Could be seen as childish I suppose. However I proved my point. I saw that iSign was a drummer in his profile ... I immediately respected that and saw a commonality. Besides signs .......

So in order to lighten up the mood with all the bickering I was busting him on the drum challenge thing .... but he stayed serious I see. It was a joke .......... yet he called Flame thin skinned.

I am a (retired firefighter .... served my community for twenty one baby faced years. So don't go there, if you haven't been there. I never claimed to be a super sign guy ....... and iSign there is no way you have been playing since before my birth lol ... you look the same age as me ... take a deep breath we had a good conversation a week ago ............ and I never played in boy bands iSigns ....... actually hard rock and mostly metal ...... FTR ... :Sleeping: I do have video however .... will transfer from video tape for those in need ........... peace!

Pat Whatley

06-24-2007, 12:33 AM

if Pat has a one line sentence or word denoting whats negative ... I would love to see what he has to say that is positive

~M

Hey, I bet you were a damn good fireman!

skyhigh

06-24-2007, 12:34 AM

I am a (retired firefighter .... served my community for twenty one baby faced years. So don't go there, if you haven't been there. !

I have been there...although it was with a VFD.

azcolor

06-24-2007, 02:55 AM

Do you work alone? if so then you would realize the complications of doing an install like this and still have to deal with other customers who are also looking for their jobs to finished/started/whatever, no simple task as a solo act..

I have over 500 installs under my belt so I know its no simple act. 4 days is a bit much though. This is a 2 day max job.

Ken

06-24-2007, 05:08 AM

It was the drivers side photo I was refering to.
The passenger side reads OK.
Kinda like CV Signs post last week on the Avalanche truck.
Can't just rubber stamp both sides.
Ken

Flame

06-24-2007, 11:54 AM

Wait a second, who said I'm thin-skinned? Who said it, who done it.... who who who???

LOL

Oh brother guys. This is just funny now. Like a spitting match, fierce and intense but over nothing that even relates to importance.

I'll post my wrap when I get done with it. Bike should be done today, and I'm going to attempt to wrap my truck in ONE day.......:rolleyes: wish me luck cuz I'm gonna need it.

isag

06-24-2007, 12:07 PM

your welcome.

you act like I'm part of the problem here, when I'm defending your work. I'm not looking for any appreciative words.. I'd just as soon be ignored...

...but since it takes 2 to "bicker", the way I read it, you're ragging on me for having an opinion, even if it's on your side... time to grow a thicker skin.

BTW, isag... 2 or 3 weeks here & now you're signed: "sick of the non constructive negativity on s101" ??
not that I support negativity... but I'm not guessing the that fine balancing act of anonymous anarchy here is going to change for you just yet...

This is what started it all Flame ... I appologize ... it was Mason that was refered too as thin skinned. And the shot at myself below ... so I wanted to see who actually had thin skin ... that's when the fun began. Good luck on your vehicle. Show it off later ... I promise not to post LOL