JV33 Printhead, suitable for JV5?

[Robert72]

Dear Fellows,

I've heard all kind of things regarding this. Some people say that it's exaclty the same, some people say they're different printheads. The fact is the JV33 cost exactly half the price of the JV5 printhead in Europe.

Anybody did try it?

[Robert72]

Sorry,I forgot I asked the same time ago, but really I need to know if any of you has put it into JV5. I don't want to waste my money if I'm not sure they're suitable.

Hi Case, you seem to be very sure of this. Have you done it? Please tell me about.

As always, thanks for your valuable help.

[fieldcenter]

Yes, they share same print head

JV33/ JV5 print head $670 shipped within united states. All print head sold by fieldcenter is brand new genuine shipped from southern california.

availability is limited.

[Case]

Yep, exact same head.... trust me and anyone else that tells you....

JV5 has 4 of them, JV33 has one...

Case

[Stan B]

JV33 and JV5 can not be the same print head.

[ScotJ]

Yes, they share same print head

JV33/ JV5 print head $670 shipped within united states. All print head sold by fieldcenter is brand new genuine shipped from southern california.

availability is limited.



Is his price for real? I'd like to get one if so.


and yes, the JV33 and JV5 heads are identical, the JV5 just has 3 more than the JV3 :-)

[fieldcenter]

Price is now $700+ shipping. Give me a call.

It is new genuine epson 10000 print head, period. We have several in stock to ship.

Francis
949-209-7306

[Robert72]

Hi wait, the Epson 10000 printhead isn't the JV3 or Roland printhead aka DX4???

My friend, the JV5 printhead is DX5-based, as the JV33 is.

Scott, if you buy those printheads from Southern California, I'd pay with any kind of escrow till you open the printhead and attach the cable and see no errors.

[fieldcenter]

Scott,

As we spoke on the phone, there was a mis-quote. The print head for JV33 is $1,400 shipped to door from s. california.

-Francis

[Robert72]

Sorry FieldCenter if I sounded too rude, but as you know, last times, there's a lot of misunderstandings with Asia-coming spare parts and that's what I understood.

Regards,
Robert.

[fieldcenter]

None taken.

By the way, we are based in S. California just some of our suppliers are based in Asia. If it was our misquotation, we always offer next day service to correct the problem. This is our first time mis-quote to be exact.

$1,400 shipped to door for new genuine jv33 print head.

Francis
949-209-7306

[Robert72]

Sorry if I'm really boring with this matter, but, the european dealers insist on both printheads are different. The JV5 doesn't recognize a JV33 printhead.

Please please, anybody who has done the change???

[janfranck]

hi,

i guess i know what you mean and it´s like this:

the jv5 runs an epson IH47V head ( oem-licensed only ) ... so does the jv33 ..

but:

on jv33 there is an option in the electronics missing to block other heads to be installed - so there are compatible ones existing !
on the jv5 it´s working - and refusing any head then the original IH47V

i installed several heads to JV33 / VJ and also JV5 so i know about..

best regards from germany,
yours jan :-)

[Robert72]

Thanks Jan!!!
That's exactly the kind of info I was looking for.
So if I've understood correctly, if it's an ORIGINAL JV33 printhead, I can put it on the JV5 and it will work?
I've tried in the past with an epson 4800 printhead with a solvent head adapter, and as you point, the machine refused it. I didn't try with the 4880 printhead because I supposed the same result.

Or maybe there's a way to avoid that blocking in the Maintenance parameters. The firmware of the mine is V2.10, if I update it??

Thanks thanks thanks,
Robert.

[Swim]

Dear Jan and Robert,

I have 3 points

I Write from Venezuela where we print fabric for swimwear (polyamide) with acid dyes. We have 2 JV5, we are exactly in the same situation.

1 - I would like to know if the Jv33 head has a different part number and a different price than the JV5 or is it the samehead in the same package? a company from China tried to sell me a head for the Mutoh Valuejet, they say it should be compatible but are not 100% sure. Could you susggest some supplier for this piece of equipment.

2 - the second point
Does any one knows anything about this company???
Pro-sign,Co,ltd.
Tel: +86 21 5885 7324
Address:No 13,Yunshan Industrial Area,pudong district,shanghai, China
Web: www.pro-sign.com.cn
Email: sales@pro-sign.com.cn

I was negotiating with them the purchase of the printhead for the JV5. It was all fine untill I requested the proforma invoice and banking info for sending the payment. After sending the banking info and the proforma invoice, the guy was so pushy about when he was going to receive the payment, that I started having some doubts about it. Fortunately we have a broker in Guanzhou china and I asked him to call that company, he tried for a few days but no one answered the phone, I also wrote many times to the person I was emailing with and again no answer. In fact What I think is that when wanted to start verifying the references, he disapeared...... I will let imagine what would have hapen if I would have sent the money..... I can t imagine any other issue.
So to everybody beware.

[giuly60]

Hi

I had also a bed exp in china with company SKYPOWERINK send the money
nothing happend so pay attention ...!!

the only head work in JV5 is the I H 4 7 V no other heads works at this moment.!

prosign also is in the black list for me all this company they use the same photo of the head


regards

Giuliano



Dear Jan and Robert,

I have 3 points

I Write from Venezuela where we print fabric for swimwear (polyamide) with acid dyes. We have 2 JV5, we are exactly in the same situation.

1 - I would like to know if the Jv33 head has a different part number and a different price than the JV5 or is it the samehead in the same package? a company from China tried to sell me a head for the Mutoh Valuejet, they say it should be compatible but are not 100% sure. Could you susggest some supplier for this piece of equipment.

2 - the second point
Does any one knows anything about this company???
Pro-sign,Co,ltd.
Tel: +86 21 5885 7324
Address:No 13,Yunshan Industrial Area,pudong district,shanghai, China
Web: www.pro-sign.com.cn
Email: sales@pro-sign.com.cn

I was negotiating with them the purchase of the printhead for the JV5. It was all fine untill I requested the proforma invoice and banking info for sending the payment. After sending the banking info and the proforma invoice, the guy was so pushy about when he was going to receive the payment, that I started having some doubts about it. Fortunately we have a broker in Guanzhou china and I asked him to call that company, he tried for a few days but no one answered the phone, I also wrote many times to the person I was emailing with and again no answer. In fact What I think is that when wanted to start verifying the references, he disapeared...... I will let imagine what would have hapen if I would have sent the money..... I can t imagine any other issue.
So to everybody beware.

[Jemmings]

Sign-Pro Ripped me off the for price of 10 JV3 Print heads and 20 dampers. By chance do you still have the invoice they sent you? I hope to put together a case for the police department in Shanghai to investigate. Thanks in advance.

[Robert72]

Bump!!!

Any luck trying to put JV33 printhead on a JV5?
Anybody did the trick?? I'm pretty sure it can be hacked.
It's not fair anywhere that the JV5 printhead cost the double being the same.

[DigitalBBQ]

Having a few thoughts for anyone owning one of these printer, and before the head going out:

1 ) If there is more than 50% chance that we all JV3(3) owner will get rip-off from the Far East source at any given day; why are we wanting these print heads from the black market, and risking so much ? (And no one seems to be sure what they are buying and what is working, and who will install it if you actually got from without the rip-off, and who will assign ranking/calibrate these heads, etc!)

2 ) Can you just buy them from Mimaki and install it do-it-yourself ? ( Is that the word "Genuine" meaning supplying or selling from and by Mimaki ? Is there such thing can be a knock-off for these DX5 printheads out there that work just like the real thing ? )

3 ) If there is a dealer from the Far East like Field Center base right in the S. CA selling import parts as reasonable prices and also promoting after-sale services; has anyone buy, any feedback ?

4 ) What is the cost in general to call Mimaki's certified tech to come out and replace the head ? (beside the cost of the head itself)

5 ) What is the price tag for the IH47V from Mimaki is like ?

[fieldcenter]

We have not yet sold any Mimaki JV5 print heads in the last six months. We have sold one Mutoh print head to a forum user but after two months of usage; the print head failed. We have sold more than 50-70 Epson 10000 print heads in the past two months. 0 problem, o complaints.

All print head from Fieldcenter are in original package sealed. We will not offer any kind of warranty. It is just like any Mimaki dealer. You buy a print head from them without installation from the same dealer; No warranty. Without proper installation, print head will fail.

Fieldcenter Inc
(949)209-7306

[DigitalBBQ]

Even for authorized technician, if they installed JV33 or JV5 printhead onsite; the print head may not accept frequency from the motherboard's controller; or in fact, some genuine print head might actually fry the motherboard itself! If this happened, either the manufacturer or the authorized dealer will be responsible for it as a likely the scenario.

For anyone who buying their own print head, and do it on your own; consider yourself a GENIUS:clapping::thumb:
Either that or a very risky business minder. And for any one who's already entitled GENIUS as described, please do tell :notworthy:

[Robert72]

So are that problem due to crappy $1600 printheads or to crappy $50000 Mimaki JV5s?? Are Epson or Mimaki guilty, or might be us idiot printers believing all the false statements the vendors say and suffering the lack of support?

[MaxxGrafix]

Even for authorized technician, if they installed JV33 or JV5 printhead onsite; the print head may not accept frequency from the motherboard's controller; or in fact, some genuine print head might actually fry the motherboard itself! If this happened, either the manufacturer or the authorized dealer will be responsible for it as a likely the scenario.

For anyone who buying their own print head, and do it on your own; consider yourself a GENIUS:clapping::thumb:
Either that or a very risky business minder. And for any one who's already entitled GENIUS as described, please do tell :notworthy:

So, back in basically October about a month before manufacturer warranty was up we had a pretty nasty storm in Indy and the lightning didn't even hurt our surge protector/battery back up: however, it carried it's nice little self into my print computer, CG 130, and jv33- So, call up grimco support ... warranty hoopla.... ya, ya, ya. tear down computer, new hard drive and motherboard, re install finecut and plotter works just fine, but printer is zapped. error 50 if i recall correctly and the head memory is bad. they send out new head and head memory from mimaki. install, prints about 40 sq. ft. - bad head memory again. call grimco, new head, head memory and motherboard, grimco proceeds to tell me that normally whenever they see head memory go out the motherboard is bad also. i'm upset they failed to tell me this first time around. install new head, head memory, new motherboard. nothing. call grimco, send out new motherboard, head, head memory, other miscellaneous boards for motherboard, boards that go behind inks, and 100% of cables. They proceed to tell me when head memory goes bad, they normally send a new head, head memory, motherboard, and all wires- again, this is an issue they had not discussed w/ me two previous times. at this point in time i am a week and a half out of printer. finally get all my stuff, and put it all together. grimco wants me to pay $1400 for them to come out and adjust printer after i've already put in all the labor on tearing my whole jv33 apart and putting it back together. they want something like $65/hour for drive time from and back to st. louis. No thank you- I then read the full manual on this printer, and go through the process of finding a magnifying glass powerful enough which i am evidently incapable of doing and then decide to use a Cannon 75-300mm photography lens to acquire magnification and to set printer back to crystal clear print quality.
First lesson is, if you want a job done right do it yourself.
Second lesson is, you get what you pay for.

This means that when you spend money on the right parts, you get better results. I could save a fifth by going with plug and play inks, however I have ran this machine strong for a year and a few months, and have not had to continually replace dampers and heads, and have heartache and nightmares about what the printer might do each day.

[MaxxGrafix]

Yes, they share same print head

JV33/ JV5 print head $670 shipped within united states. All print head sold by fieldcenter is brand new genuine shipped from southern california.

availability is limited.



Price is now $700+ shipping. Give me a call.

It is new genuine epson 10000 print head, period. We have several in stock to ship.

Francis
949-209-7306


None taken.

By the way, we are based in S. California just some of our suppliers are based in Asia. If it was our misquotation, we always offer next day service to correct the problem. This is our first time mis-quote to be exact.

$1,400 shipped to door for new genuine jv33 print head.

Francis
949-209-7306

this would be the same product misquoted twice?

[inkmed]

hi,

i guess i know what you mean and it´s like this:

the jv5 runs an epson IH47V head ( oem-licensed only ) ... so does the jv33 ..

but:

on jv33 there is an option in the electronics missing to block other heads to be installed - so there are compatible ones existing !
on the jv5 it´s working - and refusing any head then the original IH47V

i installed several heads to JV33 / VJ and also JV5 so i know about..

best regards from germany,
yours jan :-)

Jan is right.
Both JV5 head and JV33 head are DX5 head, but there is a different between them.

But the price is same.

Adam
from inkmed

[Robert72]

The price is not the same. You can put a DX5 solvent printhead working on a JV33/Valuejet for barely half the price of a JV5 printhead.

[Printhead]

So, what is the problem everyone is having?
I'm currently in the need for 4 (you read that right) JV5 heads, because the black OEM HS ink clogged them all. CMY is perfect, not missing a single nozzle, but my black is about 30-40% clogged on all heads.
This is a terrible situation for us. We are out of warranty for a while now, but this is still Mimaki's fault. We're pushing pretty hard for them to swallow the cost of replacement.
Anyway, they probably won't pay,
so if those JV33 heads are a perfect fit, for 1 400$ that's about a third of the price the distributor would be charging for a JV5 head.
After the dust settle with Mimaki and the distributor we may be doing business, Fieldcenter. But I'll need a guarantee that those heads will be compatible.

[Dice]

I was told once by a tech that the JV33 and the JV5 are the exact same print heads, the only difference is there is a small heater on the print head that the JV5 uses and the JV33 does not. When they install the heads on the JV33 they just don't plug in the little heater on the printhead.

I can't confirm it though.

[Robert72]

I was told once by a tech that the JV33 and the JV5 are the exact same print heads, the only difference is there is a small heater on the print head that the JV5 uses and the JV33 does not. When they install the heads on the JV33 they just don't plug in the little heater on the printhead.

I can't confirm it though.

Well, I have those heaters disconnected on the JV5 and I don't feel the difference.

Regarding the printhead compatibility, to explain better, there's a printhead tailored for the JV5 which costs about $2000 or more. That head is also suitable for the JV33.

However, there's a printhead, the Epson DX5 solvent version, which costs about the half and being phisically identical, the JV5 doesn't recognize it, because that damn machine has a security identifier for mimaki to be sure you plug the most expensive printhead.

That's how Mimaki cheats the users, sell a machine with lots of problems, sell a defective black ink which inturn ruins the printheads, and also make you to put the most expensive printhead. I'll never buy a mimaki again. The problem isn't exactly on the machine (there's no perfect machine) but the way Mimaki support their customers.

PS: If anybody comes and discover how to avoid the printhead identification on JV5 (some dips in service mode or some modified firmware) to let us mount the cheaper DX5 heads, please let us, the poor JV5 users, know how to.

[DoubleDown]

Well, all jv5 owners could do a class action lawsuit against Mimaki and that would get their attention pretty quick.

[Dice]

I don't think I've ever heard of a happy Jv5 customer. Lots of happy jv3, jv33 happy customers.

[Printhead]

Well, all jv5 owners could do a class action lawsuit against Mimaki and that would get their attention pretty quick.
I don't know how this goes but I just talked with my boss and he's all up for it.

[inkmed]

they are not same.
Jv5 head with a calefaction slice, Jv33 head without.
the original head price is same.
but Jv33 can use the printer head from Epson, the price is half of the original head price.

Adam
from Inkmed

[COREYAARON]

Here is the deal once and for all so all you know. Mechanically speaking, the Mutoh, Epson, and mimaki high-speed heads are all the same structurally. As far as mimaki goes there are different versions, there are newer 33 heads and newer 5 heads. I have my own Mimaki dealership based in Atlanta. I have installed 33 heads into 5s with no problems and vice versa. Thus assuming they are the old school versions. The newer ones are not quite as compatible. As far as any heads being installed and not being accepted that is common as we all know. Earlier someone said the wrong head could fry the motherboard, false information. If anything the motherboard wouldn't accept it but unless you pour chocolate milk on the ribbon cables and then install it then there would be no reason why the motherboard would fry. Big ups to Francis kao. Peace

[PaintBallMan]

Gentlemen,
I really thin this problem is easy solved.
This problem for me is an difference of the ID of the head and the ID configured in the Head Memory PCB.
In Jv33 if you change the Head Memory PCB to other already used in other machine, your print head not will work properly. Because the system set the ID in the initial setup in the first time you power on. After this, when you make a change sometimes it can be configured auto or not, if not you need set this manually.
So the used Head Memory PCB have one ID of the first head its configured, when you put this Head Memory PCB in other printer, you need setup the ID of the actual Print head installed, on this new(used) Head Memory PCB.

[inkmed]

The price is not the same. You can put a DX5 solvent printhead working on a JV33/Valuejet for barely half the price of a JV5 printhead.


original JV33 head and original JV5 head price is same.

but JV33 can uese Epson DX5 head, the price is low, more or less $600 each pc.
JV5 can only use original Mimaki JV5 head, the price is more or less $1200.

it is why JV33 head price is half of jv5 head price

Adam from Inkmed

[benjercorp]

Be aware that there are 2 types of DX5 heads (Gold Plated & Standard)

[thierry69]

hello
I have problems with my JV5 (heads) someone has to install new
JV33 heads or Epson Stylus Pro 4000 on a Mimaki JV5?
modified firmware?

thank you

[Jemmings]

Back at the start of the thread someone asked if JV33 and JV5 print heads were the same. The answer is both yes and no. JV5 print heads having green ribbon cable connectors can be used in JV5 and JV33 machines. Heads that will work in JV33 but not JV5 have the black ribbon cable connectors.

[drive]

...and if you don't like replacing heads on a jv5 because of the HS inks, switch them to ES3 eco-solvents.
1-1 acetone - iso flush does a good job of cleaning the HS ink funk out of them in my experience.

[bloobird0]

Hello,

I've read that CJV30 uses a DX5 print head. Can this printer use any DX5 head (from espon or mimaki) or only the mimaki ones (just like the JV5)?

[Jemmings]

Please do not put acetone into an epson head. It melts the glue binding the internal parts and the head will fail. You are better off using HS cleaning solution then SS2 cleaning solution then pulling ES3 cleaning solution backward thru the head. The best answer is switching to Color+ ink by flushing the printer including the heads with HS cleaning solution, then color+ solution then inking up with color+. This ink does not have the heavy order of HS, works just as well, is cheaper and easier on the heads.

[fieldcenter]

hi,

i guess i know what you mean and it´s like this:

the jv5 runs an epson IH47V head ( oem-licensed only ) ... so does the jv33 ..

but:

on jv33 there is an option in the electronics missing to block other heads to be installed - so there are compatible ones existing !
on the jv5 it´s working - and refusing any head then the original IH47V

i installed several heads to JV33 / VJ and also JV5 so i know about..

best regards from germany,
yours jan :-)

Just came across this thread again. Here is the update.

After several talks with technicians who actually worked on JV5s and few dealers:

Compatible DX5 print head will not work on JV5 but ok on JV33/valuejet (valuejet need different manifold)

Original JV33 print head will work on both JV33 and JV5 (JV5 users remove old memory card from old one to use)

Original JV5 print head will work for both JV33 and JV5 without problem.

All our JV33 print head are IH47V print heads. If your print head does not have this IH47V, most likely will not work on JV5s. See picture. Yes this is the actual print head that myself is holding on.

Email for quotation
sales@fieldcenterusa.com

[Roland]

Yes, the print-heads are same. From Madrid, you can order it from Digiprint in Belgium. It's quite close to you. You'll have it the next day. Very serious company there with original spare parts.
http://www.digiprint-supplies.com/Epson-DX5-solvent-JV33-print-head-p11621.html
649 euros.
Good luck!