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GP
08-31-2009, 10:17 AM
I hope to attempt to wrap this old brick wall with an vintage pre-war poster inspired panel, measuring 12' x 15'.

As you can see, the brick is unpainted and has several gaps and imperfections in the mortar.

Do I need to somehow treat the brick before applying vinyl (other than blowing it out with air)? Any vinyl recommendations?

I have limited experience, though I have applied cast vinyl to block and brick. It was in much better condition and painted.

Fortunately, the client wants a weathered and imperfect look, as if it has been there for years.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated,

GP

ps - have a great week!
Tharnpheffa
08-31-2009, 10:32 AM
Fellers has a textured surface vinyl.
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 10:33 AM
I would use only 3M IJ8624 Graphic film for textured surfaces with the 8524 lam. To use this film you need either heated sponge rollers or a sponge roller that can handle heat.....a lot of heat! This install will be a *****, but when it is done it will look like it was hand painted on.
I charge crazy $$$$ to do these.
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 11:30 AM
Im just curious...anyone tried a cheaper version of this material? Results?
omgsideburns
08-31-2009, 11:36 AM
that wall looks awesome. the graphics better look just as awesome!
GP
08-31-2009, 11:38 AM
The graphic is killer - i will post once we get the deposit.

Thanks for all the information - please keep it coming -

Now, to figure out a way to get me and a helping hand up there.

GP
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 11:40 AM
Thats gonna be a tough one, hire Spiderman
GP
08-31-2009, 11:41 AM
How about you come down to install and I go up and spend some time riding my bike around in the cool mountain air?
Adam Bennett
08-31-2009, 11:50 AM
You should check out DPF8000 from Arlon. Good stuff for Untreated rough surfaces like this. Lots of heat and a spongey roller will totally do the trick
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 12:16 PM
How about you come down to install and I go up and spend some time riding my bike around in the cool mountain air?

Sure...just leave your bike at my house when you are done. That should be payment enough!

You might still be able to trick some poor fool that doesn't read Signs 101 into climbing that ladder for you....then you can take the time to come and ride the BRP
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 12:18 PM
You should check out DPF8000 from Arlon. Good stuff for Untreated rough surfaces like this. Lots of heat and a spongey roller will totally do the trick

How do you like the printabily of the Arlon? any snowflake?
milliken12
08-31-2009, 01:08 PM
I was going to recommend the DPF8000 as well. If you need pricing email me
bill@millikendistribution.com
Adam Bennett
08-31-2009, 01:11 PM
I have had great results printing full color graphics on the 8000- the extended drying time is kind of a bummer though
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 01:23 PM
the extended drying time is kind of a bummer though

Good to know, Thanks
OldPaint
08-31-2009, 02:49 PM
gee, it will look like it WAS HAND PAINTED???? i dont think so, but i would just check with someone who COULD PAINT IT............it might be less work, money & material.
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 03:00 PM
gee, it will look like it WAS HAND PAINTED???? i dont think so, but i would just check with someone who COULD PAINT IT............it might be less work, money & material.
I absolutely totally agree....but to those not in the industry it looks like its painted on. (as for the job I did on brick) I am sure that you could paint it...I am also sure you wouldn't have wanted to....their logo looked like photoshop effects barfed on it....plus they wanted it in 3 days for an opening (another level of PITA) Hats off to lettering and paint guys :notworthy: I hated the tedium of this install...I cant possibly imagine the patience or skill it would take to do this work by hand.
Pat Whatley
08-31-2009, 03:10 PM
gee, it will look like it WAS HAND PAINTED???? i dont think so,

I beg to differ. Looking at the stuff in the 3M booth at the show in Atlanta I was shocked at how much it looked like paint...from only a foot away. The logo print they did for me and mounted wouldn't have looked any more painted if it had been painted.
Doyle
08-31-2009, 04:06 PM
Pat you should know that it will never be good enough for OP.... I know that an untrained eye would have a very hard time telling the difference... especially after it is heated and formed to the surface of the wall, I am sure it will look great.

One thing though, if you are paneling this image, are you expecting any problems with registration since the wall is so irregular?
cdiesel
08-31-2009, 04:32 PM
IJ8624/8524.. but like mentioned above, you must have the high temp heatgun and the correct rollers. Last I saw the complete set of tools was about $400. Also expect the install to take a full eight hours.
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 04:57 PM
Also expect the install to take a full eight hours.

A very not fun 8 hrs. Well maybe fun if you like to be beaten with clubs.
cdiesel
08-31-2009, 05:01 PM
That is true. Worst one we did, we ran two six hour shifts and it took us just over two full days to complete. That was off of a scissors lift, so you have maneuvering time to account for too.
MachServTech
08-31-2009, 05:09 PM
That is true. Worst one we did, we ran two six hour shifts and it took us just over two full days to complete. That was off of a scissors lift, so you have maneuvering time to account for too.

I hate installing like house cats hate water. If you throw one in the pool you'll find they swim like the devil, but that cat aint gonna be happy when it gets out.
GP
09-01-2009, 10:10 AM
I foresee a nightmare. But the wall and graphic are so damn cool, I want the job.

I was tossing a turning last night thinking about registration. I would imagine paneling top to bottom would be the natural way of doing it, but it seems like the breaks would be a lot easier going horizontal.

If you were to go vertical, do you line up seams/overlap before applying heat and working into the contours? It seems like if you completed the left panel and had it conforming to the wall, lining up the next panel would be a b****. I guess this is the million dollar question.

GP
MachServTech
09-01-2009, 10:43 AM
I did mine vertical with overlap. Lining it up was hard because of the yellow on black logo and letters, but you couldn't really tell from a foot away.
Sparky
09-01-2009, 12:41 PM
I think registration should happen at the focal point of the art. If that is 3/4 the way up, that is where it needs to happen. I know you said the picture is done, but does the design allow for some fudge factor? That would help allot.
cdiesel
09-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Registration is actually quite easy. Because of the low initial tack you'll see, you can peel the whole sheet and stick it loosely with your hand. Just don't let the vinyl touch itself, as it's NOT ControlTac.
IIDave
12-16-2009, 11:33 AM
Did anything ever come of this job? I only ask because we are moving into a new space and we may be able to put some graphics up on a concrete brick wall.
boxerbay
05-23-2011, 02:04 PM
Registration is actually quite easy. Because of the low initial tack you'll see, you can peel the whole sheet and stick it loosely with your hand. Just don't let the vinyl touch itself, as it's NOT ControlTac.

ditto - lay on your two panels softly, make sure they align, then go back a heat shrink it into the brick.

or attach your 2 panels together on the work table before putting it on the wall.
MikePro
05-23-2011, 02:14 PM
or attach your 2 panels together on the work table before putting it on the wall.

+1 this. I LOVE pre-assembling my tiles with a tape hinge.
Craig Sjoquist
05-23-2011, 02:44 PM
SO it has been Sept. since last post on progress, still confused about mounting and getting job sold in the 1st place.

Since the customer wanted retro faded, my thought on print on vinyl is negative VS/ hiring a Walldog to hand letter, paint graphic, and aged. That would have much better image.

GP .... What ever happen ? Did you sell the outstanding looking job you can do. ? sure hope it is looking awesome if done ? Have Pictures ?
boxerbay
05-23-2011, 03:30 PM
SO it has been Sept. since last post on progress, still confused about mounting and getting job sold in the 1st place.

Since the customer wanted retro faded, my thought on print on vinyl is negative VS/ hiring a Walldog to hand letter, paint graphic, and aged. That would have much better image.

GP .... What ever happen ? Did you sell the outstanding looking job you can do. ? sure hope it is looking awesome if done ? Have Pictures ?

it all depends on the graphic. if it is something simple that can be "handled" painting is probably going to last the longest. but if they want a color portrait of someone that you take into photo shop and run a few filters on to give it a hand painted oil/acrylic painting look (of the owner of the store) then probably easier to use printed vinyl.