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luggnut
09-28-2009, 11:21 AM
i decided to try the magic sculpt epoxy clay and do me a dragon.... its insides are foam (spary and insulation boards) , wire and mdo. the sheild is insulation board etched with a heat gun and vinyl stencils.

the magic sculpt is amazingly hard once it cures.. i can't break it even small parts like horns and teeth with my hands ( maybe with a hammer!)

Just Another Sign Guy
09-28-2009, 11:23 AM
fun stuff to play with...but more expensive than gold.

on the advice of Bill the go to guy for 3d sign work (3dSignCo) he turned me on to some less expensive alternatives if you ever need to buy more.

Shovelhead
09-28-2009, 11:24 AM
That's art there!
Love Magic Sculpt...I use it for taxidermy.
:cool1:

iSign
09-28-2009, 11:40 AM
Great job Lugg

Jillbeans
09-28-2009, 11:42 AM
Looks great.
I just use EZ Sculpt (http://www.polygem.com/zoo/ezsculpt.php) Make sure you mix it exactly equally or it takes awhile to dry.
Love....Jill

HeathSignCompany
09-28-2009, 11:56 AM
Great work!

petepaz
09-28-2009, 12:12 PM
nice job!

Mike Paul
09-28-2009, 12:15 PM
Looks good :thumb:

luggnut
09-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Love Magic Sculpt...I use it for taxidermy.

i got the eyes from a taxidermy site.. shark eyes

HeathSignCompany
09-28-2009, 04:48 PM
Wow the shark eyes work perfect! Good Idea!

What type of glue are you using on the foam panels? I see the MDO in the center, is that for support and mounting?

On your shield you said a heat gun and vinyl stencil. So the foam contracts where ever it is not protected by the stencil?

You've inspired me to try this, it looks fun and I always wanted to try the magic sculpt!

MachServTech
09-28-2009, 04:55 PM
how many hours so far?

luggnut
09-28-2009, 05:25 PM
What type of glue are you using on the foam panels? I see the MDO in the center, is that for support and mounting?

On your shield you said a heat gun and vinyl stencil. So the foam contracts where ever it is not protected by the stencil?


i used a glue from the hot wire foam factory for gluing foam... the mdo was so i would have something solid to mount to the backer and for support of the sculpture.

the vinyl sheilds the foam from the heat gun and it contracts and recesses were there is no vinyl . it does eat away under the stencil a little and chrome vinyl works best , not as prone to shrinking from the heat.

how many hours so far?

it is my first go at anything like this and i have been going at it on and off for almost 2 weeks. i would guess 20-30 hours.

Shovelhead
09-28-2009, 05:32 PM
i got the eyes from a taxidermy site.. shark eyes

Would have bet 30mm alligator eyes.
Your dragon is sick!

3dsignco
09-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Way Impressive.. I really hate you guys that can Hand sculpt/carve..:toasting::toasting:


http://www.polygem.com/zoo/armorstone.php

This is a Smoothing Compound that dries hard as heck. I built it up to 1/2 - 3//4 and drove the truck over it. Polygem also makes a sculpting Putty But I haven't tried theirs

http://www.polygem.com/zoo/model.php

http://www.taxidermy.com/cat/16/epoxy.html
Scroll down 1/2 page

luggnut
09-28-2009, 09:48 PM
thanks for the info 3d i'll check those out.

redmondcopy
09-28-2009, 10:06 PM
Very cool!

Bill43mx
09-28-2009, 11:48 PM
That is just plain awesome! I'm soooo jealous. Please post more pictures when it's completed.

grampa dan
09-29-2009, 12:59 AM
GREAT looking dragon!

We use Magic Sculpt in our shop a LOT. We have used a litle more than 3 TONS (not a typo) to date. Buying it in volume brings the price down considerably. :)

-grampa dan

signmeup
09-29-2009, 07:07 AM
We have used a litle more than 3 TONS (not a typo) to date. -grampa dan
How do you mix the 2 halves efficiently? It seems like quite a chore to mix the 2 putties together to me. Do you have a mixing machine? (I realize you didn't mix up 3 tons in one batch....but still)

neato
09-29-2009, 07:59 AM
GREAT looking dragon!

We use Magic Sculpt in our shop a LOT. We have used a litle more than 3 TONS (not a typo) to date. Buying it in volume brings the price down considerably. :)

-grampa dan

Hey guys, if you haven't had a chance, hop over to Dan's website and check out his work. He is really the sculpting king. I've had the chance to see some of his work in person, very impressive....

luggnut
09-29-2009, 08:27 AM
GREAT looking dragon!

We use Magic Sculpt in our shop a LOT. We have used a litle more than 3 TONS (not a typo) to date. Buying it in volume brings the price down considerably. :)

-grampa dan

thanks .. seeing a few of your articles and features in SignCraft is what got me inspired to try Magic Sculpt. i have a small shop and wanted add some dimension to some of my stuff and couldn't really afford a cnc setup right now. it would be a dream to do the stuff you do.

grampa dan
09-29-2009, 12:19 PM
Even with the amount of Magic Sculpt we use it's all still mixed by hand. If you microwave the separate parts slightly to warm them up it is a lot easier! We looked into an industrial bread mixer which I hear works well but three things hold me back. The first is that I can only apply it so fast and so mixing in large batches isn't necessary or desired. Secondly, cleaning an industrial machine would be hard work and you would have to do it constantly making me wonder how much time we would really save. Thirdly, the heavy duty machines are expensive - even used. We do not have three phase power in our shop and single phase machines are very rare. I'm not about to spend thousands of dollars on a machine I'm not sold on.

Instead if I have a good sized project on the go I hire a student or two to do my mixing for me while I do the fun part.

-grampa dan

Pat Whatley
09-29-2009, 12:35 PM
I thought I was the only person who microwaved Magic Sculpt. :ROFLMAO:

luggnut
09-29-2009, 02:03 PM
If you microwave the separate parts slightly to warm them up it is a lot easier!

i might have to try that... mixing more than two fistful at a time is going pretty slow

luggnut
10-06-2009, 05:38 PM
here it is the almost finished... i think i may gold leaf the lettering?

jhilldesigns
10-06-2009, 05:56 PM
flippin' SICK! yeah, gild the lettering...

edit: well, I only looked at the first pic, in the second one, the lettering stands out well as tarnished copper or the like...

Baz
10-06-2009, 06:09 PM
Very cool! :thumb:

Joe Diaz
10-06-2009, 06:17 PM
That is wicked cool!

neato
10-06-2009, 06:26 PM
sweet! turned out great!

Jillbeans
10-06-2009, 07:02 PM
You could either gild or use Ronan's Aqua Leaf or Kemp Permagild too.
You can also two-tone gild with different types of leaf.
Looks swell!

Pat Whatley
10-06-2009, 07:31 PM
That things a hell of a lot bigger than in looked originally. Awesome. Put a few extra screws in it or it'll end up in a dorm room somewhere.

3dsignco
10-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Great Job.. Looks Fantastic.

HeathSignCompany
10-06-2009, 08:49 PM
Boy that really turned out nice!

Poconopete
10-06-2009, 08:51 PM
:notworthy::thumb::toasting:

luggnut
10-07-2009, 10:10 AM
thanks for all the compliments... i think i may have to do something else to put on the other side of my storefront to balance it out, but haven't come up with something to compete with the dragon....

JK driver
10-10-2009, 10:09 PM
That's easy, do another dragon but a different style and color!

dman0427
10-11-2009, 12:35 AM
Cool!

Sherry2006
10-21-2009, 10:19 AM
wow that is really wicked! bravo!

ddarlak
10-21-2009, 10:24 AM
i want that dragon....

HeathSignCompany
10-21-2009, 10:37 AM
That's easy, do another dragon but a different style and color!

What are you talking about?¿?

DOGraphics
10-21-2009, 11:50 AM
I like it.

Very Nice

JK driver
10-21-2009, 05:39 PM
What are you talking about?¿?

Didn't realize I posted a confusing coment???
He was wonder about what to carve to put on the other side of his store front to balance it out.
I suggested another dragon, but a different style, like a blue aquatic dragon, Or white ice dragon.
Use your imagination!:banghead:

luggnut
10-21-2009, 05:49 PM
Put a few extra screws in it or it'll end up in a dorm room somewhere.

i decided to move it inside in my front office/showroom... everyone kept saying something was gonna happen to it out side