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    Vinyl on cars

    Thank for the quick response. Why is cast the better vinyl then calendered?

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    CAST or CALENDARED

    Quote Originally Posted by WestbankKurt View Post
    Thank for the quick response. Why is cast the better vinyl then calendered?
    I got this one, y'all. Even though I do not speak CAJUN, I think Kurt will understand. CAST is manufactured by pouring the liquid vinyl to its finished size and allowing it to cure accordingly. CALENDARED is manufactured by pouring the liquid to a specific size, curing, and then "stretching" the product to its finished size. The stretching gives the vinyl a memory; therefore, over time, the applied vinyl will "shrink" back to its pre-stretched size.

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    Here's a quick explanation for ya:
    http://www.signindustry.com/vinyl/ar...alendered.php3

    I didn't read the whole thing but it looks like it covers most the bases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiberSupply-TT View Post
    CAST is manufactured by pouring the liquid vinyl to its finished size and allowing it to cure accordingly. CALENDARED is manufactured by pouring the liquid to a specific size, curing, and then "stretching" the product to its finished size. The stretching gives the vinyl a memory; therefore, over time, the applied vinyl will "shrink" back to its pre-stretched size.
    similar, but what i always understood, and told by a gregory rep probably 15 years ago, that cast starts as a liquid and is poured onto massive sheets and baked to cure, while calendared starts as almost like a "playdough" or putty and rolled through different pinch rollers to squeeze it down to the thin shape

    cast is stretchy and does not have a memory because it started as a liquid and has no reference point while calendared will always try to ball back up to its original "playdough" state, causing the curling and the shrinking.....

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    It was explained to me by a VP at the old Fasson (now Avery) ...

    Calendared vinyl starts out as a dough and is either extruded through a thin slot with pressure or rolled into a sheet using steel rollers. Either way the molecular memory of the film is that of a lump and it will want to shrink back into a lump when exposed to heat or as it ages. All that stops it from doing so is the adhesive.

    Cast vinyl is liquified and then sprayed like paint against a "casting sheet" where it dries or cures and is left with the molecular memory of the sheet it dried as. Therefore, it has no tendency to shrink as it ages.

    Cast vinyl is inherently more expensive to produce but it is also inherently superior for long term outdoor vinyl lettering and graphics.
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    Other than the manufacturing process, I've been told (by a vinyl supplier) that cast will have a more matte finish, and calendared will be more glossy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Neil View Post
    Other than the manufacturing process, I've been told (by a vinyl supplier) that cast will have a more matte finish, and calendared will be more glossy.
    That's a big negative! Both are available in many finishes including matte or gloss. The cast and calendared difference is all in the manufacturing process as explained by others above. Finishes, Base Color, etc is all shared by both types of vinyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Neil View Post
    Other than the manufacturing process, I've been told (by a vinyl supplier) that cast will have a more matte finish, and calendared will be more glossy.


    Absolutely not so. A good rule of thumb and a best practices rule is to always consider anything said by a supplier sales rep as untrue and made up until proven otherwise.

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    It's easier to spell.

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    Because it conforms better and holds up longer, also better quality. Why go into technical details?

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    For the reasons already discussed, calendared shrinks. When it shrinks (and it can shrink substantially) the adhesive either gives up, or holds and causes cracking and then peeling. Although there are some better quality calendared vinyls, most are made with cheaper materials which further degrades their quality.

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    When they say stretched, by how much do they mean?

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    While calendered does play second fiddle to cast, fret not, there are some excellent calendered films, on the market nowadays.
    I've seen large graphics --calendered- that I've made, 4 years later, looking very good. Note-- in the hot desert sun. 114 degree heat

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    Red face

    I was always taught that cast is a more premium product and should be used on long-term jobs and vehicles.
    Calendered can discolor and shrink, and is for cheaper jobs like corosigns.
    Love....Jill

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    I think a very important point that has yet to be mentioned is that cast is also available in a much broader selection of colors and textures than calendered.

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    brand also matters. some cast premium by some companies is garbage. cheap brands put out cheap cast so use a good brand if you want it to last

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