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can anyone id this font please

can anyone id the font on the bottom please? i have looked through my fonts and come close, but not quite close enough!

thanks!
 

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oh and the top font......its hard to see in the pic if its just a standard "ariel" type font or if it has slight curves on the end...............whats your thought on it?
 
thanks gene.............i'll see how it looks. i got this file i need to print and of course the file is low res! so i have to recreate it.
 
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