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[ToneCustomSigns]

I completed a fleet of vehicles back in August. My customer has come back to me telling me that the vinyl is peeling up and some of the graphics are "falling off". I used Arlon Illumite reflective wrap material with 3270 cast laminate. I have been doing this for 20+ years and I haven't seen laminate do this before. I have a thought as to why this is happening but I would like to get other professional best guesses.

 

[WYLDGFI]

How have they been washing them?

 

[ToneCustomSigns]

How have they been washing them?

They claim to have not power washed them. They say they are using a regular hose w/ a sprayer head.

 

[WYLDGFI]

I would make sure you have all of your records for lot # and such if you can. If those weren't power washed, then the arlon lam flat out failed badly. It almost looks like its tunneling in spots as if the lam was "pushed" on top of your vinyl

 

[ToneCustomSigns]

I would make sure you have all of your records for lot # and such if you can. If those weren't power washed, then the arlon lam flat out failed badly. It almost looks like its tunneling in spots as if the lam was "pushed" on top of your vinyl

Thank you. If the laminate was failing, wouldn't it fail all over the truck? I have the top of the cabs wrapped in the same material and that part of the wrap seems to be holding up fine.

 

[WYLDGFI]

Agreed.

 

[signheremd]

Are your graphics made using a latex printer?

 

[unclebun]

Did they have ice frozen on them before it happened? Another poster has shown pictures of similar failure with that as the purported cause.

 

[gabagoo]

Did they have ice frozen on them before it happened? Another poster has shown pictures of similar failure with that as the purported cause.

Yes but in that scenario liquid lam was used.

 

[unclebun]

Yes but in that scenario liquid lam was used.

Well, actually there were pictures of Avery DOL1360 laminate peeling off. He said the ones that were liquid lam the whole graphic was coming off.

 

[Proofread People]

I completed a fleet of vehicles back in August. My customer has come back to me telling me that the vinyl is peeling up and some of the graphics are "falling off". I used Arlon Illumite reflective wrap material with 3270 cast laminate. I have been doing this for 20+ years and I haven't seen laminate do this before. I have a thought as to why this is happening but I would like to get other professional best guesses.

I completed a fleet of vehicles back in August. My customer has come back to me telling me that the vinyl is peeling up and some of the graphics are "falling off". I used Arlon Illumite reflective wrap material with 3270 cast laminate. I have been doing this for 20+ years and I haven't seen laminate do this before. I have a thought as to why this is happening but I would like to get other professional best guesses.

Was the vinyl heated and stretched as it was burnished into the recesses? If the vinyl isn't reset to a new memory point then it will contract when it gets cold and pull up, that's my 2 cents.

 

[Jester1167]

The missing vinyl on the bottom of the door is due to the driver banging his feet every time he gets in and out. You can ignore that, but the laminate failure is disturbing.

 

[Proofread People]

Frustrating. Did you laminate hot or cold? This issue has me curious, so the lamination is not bonding to the ink, did you let the print set up before you ran it through the laminator?

 

[balstestrat]

Are your graphics made using a latex printer?

It says he has these.
Printers:
Mutoh Valuejet 1624
Seiko Colorpainter 64

 

[Proofread People]

It says he has these.
Printers:
Mutoh Valuejet 1624
Seiko Colorpainter 64

The Arlon Illuminite spec sheets says it certified with HP Latex Inks, could it be ink type?

 

[Dennis @ Sign FX]

Bad laminate. The wrinkling in the 2nd picture is a dead give away. Seen it happen years ago with Avery.

 

[ToneCustomSigns]

Thank you all. To answer some of your questions. I used my Mutoh1624 to print. I did post heat. It turns out customer did power wash vehicles! Mystery solved. Thank you for helping this gal out!