New Colorado

[Pauly]

I'd like to see them get into dtf, Epson needs some competition (just about every dtf printer out there running Epson heads including roland, mimaki, sts, china etc )

Brought this up to the Canon sales guy and techs and they never even heard of DTF

I have my doubts they'd get into that market. and the Reps are the wrong people to talk to, they don't care about passing on product ideas. Canons (canon production printing) Aka the old OCE. They are focused on UVgel and developing their own technology like the printheads.

What do you have in mind for pushing the envelope?

UVGel for starters.
Look at the tech inside the print carriage, a lot of it is unseen.
light bar instead of a curing carriage.
4 print heads at the same speed as machines with many more. The Colorado-XL is as fast as their Arizona 6170 which has 48 heads.
The XL is not just another hybrid...
If anyone paid attention to the video, the carriage has 5 print module slots. it has 2 used slots for CMYK and 3rd for White. leaves to spare. This leaves room for dual CMYK if they go that far. that will be pushing speeds like the top end hybrids for a fraction of the price.

 

[victor bogdanov]

developing their own technology like the printheads.

Well they could develop some DTF printheads, right now its 99.9% epson heads on all DTF printers

 

[victor bogdanov]

and the Reps are the wrong people to talk to, they don't care about passing on product ideas.

This rep actually said he passed the idea on , talked to higher ups about it but they also did not seem to know about DTF or care about DTF. massive market with only 1 player in it

 

[Dale D]

Any idea on price?

 

[MarkSnelling]

Any idea on price?

Not for two weeks

 

[MarkSnelling]

Spec sheet for the Colorado XL is attached. Speeds and some good information.

 

[Grizzly]

I'm quite curious about the droplet size of the new printhead. The M5W's droplets appear larger than those of the 1650. Is there a significant difference in image detail between the Colorado XL and the M5W?

Yes, when they went down to only 4 heads & white, we lost the 600x600 resolution and it's now only 450x600. I believe this was so they could maintain the speed with less print heads. 1650 has dual print head and therefore has 600x600.
They claim you can't tell. But I have both a 1650 and M5W and I can tell and send certain jobs to the 1650 for that reason.

 

[Pauly]

Yes, when they went down to only 4 heads & white, we lost the 600x600 resolution and it's now only 450x600. I believe this was so they could maintain the speed with less print heads. 1650 has dual print head and therefore has 600x600.
They claim you can't tell. But I have both a 1650 and M5W and I can tell and send certain jobs to the 1650 for that reason.

I can hardly tell to be honest.

 

[Grizzly]

I can hardly tell to be honest.

It really shows on small stickers & products under 12". For larger prints you really can't tell.

 

[Pauly]

It really shows on small stickers & products under 12". For larger prints you really can't tell.

Pretty sure there is a 1650 simulation mode or something for the M5 the tech was telling us, but im not bothered.

 

[parrott]

Looks like a very interesting machine. A couple things that would concern me:

1. What would the service contract look like on this? The contract on our 1650 is rather high and would imagine it is going to be extremely pricey on this machine. Canon's business model seems to really punish anybody that does not have a service contract on these machines.

2. The two year or 500k square foot warranty on printheads is a joke. Let's be honest...that is a 6 month warranty on the printheads. If it takes you two years to print 500k square feet, you have no business buying a machine like this.

 

[Grizzly]

Pretty sure there is a 1650 simulation mode or something for the M5 the tech was telling us, but im not bothered.

I've never heard of this. Not sure how you simulate a smaller dot. Sounds more like a "oh yah it can do that" just to get out of an awkward conversation.

 

[Pauly]

Looks like a very interesting machine. A couple things that would concern me:

1. What would the service contract look like on this? The contract on our 1650 is rather high and would imagine it is going to be extremely pricey on this machine. Canon's business model seems to really punish anybody that does not have a service contract on these machines.

2. The two year or 500k square foot warranty on printheads is a joke. Let's be honest...that is a 6 month warranty on the printheads. If it takes you two years to print 500k square feet, you have no business buying a machine like this.

Service contract will be a lot. it'll be in the same position as the Arizonas or more. The XL will overtake their Flagship Arizona 6170

I think the print head warranty is ok considering it's a consumable.

 

[Pauly]

I've never heard of this. Not sure how you simulate a smaller dot. Sounds more like a "oh yah it can do that" just to get out of an awkward conversation.

nope, our techs aren't like that. You can simulate dot placement very easily. look at robust modes, they are all different dot patterns. i dont recall what the setting was called as i dont really care to much about the minimal difference we see, but it's there in the icc profile settings.

 

[Grizzly]

nope, our techs aren't like that. You can simulate dot placement very easily. look at robust modes, they are all different dot patterns. i dont recall what the setting was called as i dont really care to much about the minimal difference we see, but it's there in the icc profile settings.

That is the print strategy and is only available on the 1650 which changes the printing pattern. That is to prevent/hide banding in certain materials and ink load. This isn't available on the M. They removed that and added optimized color profiling which changes the ink load without having to reprofile.