Sign Bracket Headache

[Sign_Boy]

Hey all,

I'm hoping someone here could lend me some advice on this one.

I have to hang a sign - see attached pic.
The sign is 42" Wide x 24" Tall Custom Cut 3/4" MDO
The Bracket is about 24" Wide - off the wall.

The sign is going to have to hang kind of low due to it's shape.
I went to hang it and realized it was only 3-3.5" off the wall. (Customer supplied size)
This is no good - one gust of wind and it could smash into the wall.
I thought of adding bracket to the bottom left side of the sign to stabilize it, but realized that one gust of wind could twist the sign causing that corner (where the bracket is) to break.

What do you think is the best way to install this other than getting a new sign bracket? I'm not against getting a new bracket, but I'd like to explore a few other options first.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks you.

 

[J Hill Designs]

weld the chain so its rigid instead maybe?

 

[qmr55]

weld the chain so its rigid instead maybe?

+1

 

[Sign_Boy]

weld the chain so its rigid instead maybe?

Not a bad idea - that may work.
I'd have to try a test run.
Thanks

 

[Just Another Sign Guy]

I've never been totally happy with the welded chain but have used it many times.

I think what I would do for this one would be to fabricate something similar to the "U" brackets http://www.grimco.com/Products.aspx?cid=0060&pid=00386 and mount it on the wall just so there is no swinging movement possible.

Still mount the sign to the bracket in your photo from above just add this bracket to eliminate any swinging.

Paint the part of the bracket that mounts to the building the same color as the building and the part that is attached to the sign the same color as the sign and it won't be too noticeable with the height that the sign is mounted at and the distance that the sign will be viewed from.

 

[Sign_Boy]

I've never been totally happy with the welded chain but have used it many times.

I think what I would do for this one would be to fabricate something similar to the "U" brackets http://www.grimco.com/Products.aspx?cid=0060&pid=00386 and mount it on the wall just so there is no swinging movement possible.

Still mount the sign to the bracket in your photo from above just add this bracket to eliminate any swinging.

Paint the part of the bracket that mounts to the building the same color as the building and the part that is attached to the sign the same color as the sign and it won't be too noticeable with the height that the sign is mounted at and the distance that the sign will be viewed from.

I tried something like that, but the end of the sign furthest from the wall still wanted to swing. Maybe a combo of welding the chain and the bracket would work Thank You

 

[John Butto]

try this

painted to match wall and sign

 

[qmr55]

Weld chain, paint it black (or whatever color the mount is). Call it a day. Should keep the sign as stable as you would need as this method has been proven with signs even closer to walls then this!

 

[Sign_Boy]

painted to match wall and sign

Tried something like that - outer portion of the sign still swings.
But thanks

 

[Sign_Boy]

Weld chain, paint it black (or whatever color the mount is). Call it a day. Should keep the sign as stable as you would need as this method has been proven with signs even closer to walls then this!

This is probably my best bet.

Thanks again - I'll let you all know how it works out.

 

[Deaton Design]

I used this installation some years ago on a hanging sandblasted sign, and its never moved. Use square stock metal tubing, with a flat mounting plate as a second bracket on the bottom. Fix it where it will be almost tight between the two brackets. I did this and it worked great.:signs101:

 

[Sign_Boy]

I used this installation some years ago on a hanging sandblasted sign, and its never moved. Use square stock metal tubing, with a flat mounting plate as a second bracket on the bottom. Fix it where it will be almost tight between the two brackets. I did this and it worked great.:signs101:

Thanks John,
That's a good idea as well!!

 

[Gino]

You need guy wires coming in from both sides and one down from the top. No way you're gonna take the potential swaying out of a sign 48" out from the wall supported by two points perpendicular to your bracket. If you think you can... wait for Winter and then the windy months of Spring.

If you don't want to do guy wires, then at least make rigid bands going straight down both sides and use a much stronger bracket. The kind you have shown there are not meant for 25lb signs hanging down 15" or so flapping around like that. Your installation will only be as strong as your weakest point and that will be the most outer point of your bracket, where you have absolutely NO support.

Is this the one we talked about some time ago ??

 

[Billct2]

I'd use steel straps instead of welding chain links, and add guy wires to stabilize the bracket

 

[HulkSmash]

I used this installation some years ago on a hanging sandblasted sign, and its never moved. Use square stock metal tubing, with a flat mounting plate as a second bracket on the bottom. Fix it where it will be almost tight between the two brackets. I did this and it worked great.:signs101:

This is probably the most stable option. Might look nice as well!

 

[Sign_Boy]

You need guy wires coming in from both sides and one down from the top. No way you're gonna take the potential swaying out of a sign 48" out from the wall supported by two points perpendicular to your bracket. If you think you can... wait for Winter and then the windy months of Spring.

If you don't want to do guy wires, then at least make rigid bands going straight down both sides and use a much stronger bracket. The kind you have shown there are not meant for 25lb signs hanging down 15" or so flapping around like that. Your installation will only be as strong as your weakest point and that will be the most outer point of your bracket, where you have absolutely NO support.

Is this the one we talked about some time ago ??

This is a new one Gino – I hear what you are saying that’s why I took it down once it was up.
Guide wires are probably a good idea. Time to give this some more thought.

I'd use steel straps instead of welding chain links, and add guy wires to stabilize the bracket

Steel straps, didn’t think of that one. Thanks

This is probably the most stable option. Might look nice as well!

I’ll have to sketch up a few ideas and see how it looks.

 

[Gino]

I'm thinking more along these lines, although Deaton's idea works well, too.

 

[FS-Keith]

no need for guide wires if it is a nicely build bracket. Is this just one of those grimco scroll brackets? You will a the very least need to weld some horizontal braces so it looks like what gino made minus guidewires. Onto the part where you dont want the sign to slam into the building. Typically We make an alum frame to go around the perimeter of the out of alum flat stock and weld solid bars from the top or side of sign up to the bracket. Or make the sign as two single sideds with a keyway on the back and make a alum key, then glue the two pieces together.
How are you fastening this sign into the building? what type of facade?

 

[Billct2]

If I read this correctly the bracket is already there, so the issue is how to make it work with that bracket.

 

[Sign_Boy]

The Scroll Bracket is existing, customer wanted to keep it.
Could use a major sanding and some new paint.
The rope is not my work - had to throw that out there.
See new Pic.

As for the building's facade, it's stone.

I think I'll be going with Deaton's idea.

Thanks again for all the advice, I found it very helpful.