AI designed Art Explained

[Ron at Forest Litho]

So here is a little poster I made to remind us of the meaning of AI designed art by the customer (who knows everything!) and can't understand why you can't do what he says........ Ron

 

[monroesigns]

Thanks, I might have to print this really large for the inside of my shop!!!! But can you make it look better - like, chrome, oooh, and more "modern" looking, ya know, like what my kid did.

 

[GAC05]

I think AI can be useful to get a baseline for what the customer wants. We had a customer that had someone AI a design for his C8. We took it and did a partial wrap with 3M 2080 and a lot of knifeless tape.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

I think AI can be useful to get a baseline for what the customer wants.

Back in my day, that was a part of the communication phase getting that baseline.

We had a customer that had someone AI a design for his C8. We took it and did a partial wrap with 3M 2080 and a lot of knifeless tape.

I have found that people seem to be married to the renders of what passes for "AI" even more so compared to drawings from their nieces and nephews. Depending on the production process, it may be a total non starter. I have had a few from very talented designers that were no good because they didn't know production and "AI" is really neither.

 

[Ron at Forest Litho]

I think AI can be useful to get a baseline for what the customer wants. We had a customer that had someone AI a design for his C8. We took it and did a partial wrap with 3M 2080 and a lot of knifeless tape.

The problem is, that if AI does art with organic shapes and color gradations, you cannot reproduce it clearly. It's a shame the client cant click a button that says give me that at 60" and 300 dpi in CMYK. Then you actually could just print it.

 

[Boudica]

I'm about ready to make my own poster that says "If you have ChatGPT design it, then you can have ChatGPT manufacture it."

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

AI is at best a tool in a chain of other tools. AI is rarely an all-encompassing solution. Sure an AI design can be a good place to start, so can image search, a napkin sketch or something generally with too little resolution to print. That said, the costs associated with it are clearly way too much.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

AI is at best a tool in a chain of other tools.

I have a hard time with that (I know, big surprise). If one looks at what we previously called tools be it analog ones (various pencils and pens) or digital ones (bezier pen tool, brush tool), they all had one need. The user that was wielding them to know what they are doing. With what passes for "AI" none of that is really necessary. It may be helpful, it may generate a better result if someone knows what it is abstracting away, but it being necessary, not really. A person that doesn't know anything can get further with decent work via "AI" compared to that same person wielding a dip pen and that's the fundamental problem with considering them a tool in this type of context. And when "AI" improves, they magically "improve" as well. Now, they won't grow if they can't move beyond that, but nothing shows that people are willing to go through growing pains to actually grow anymore. Some sure, but not the vast majority.

Of course, we also have more and more studies coming out that shows that the younger generations that are using this more compared to knowing the core concepts. While early quizzing/testing/homework shows improvement, when testing those concepts further out months down the line, shows that there isn't "staying power". The fundamental problem is how we interface and use technology is vastly different compared to how absorb and learn, at best they are crutches. I'm sure we have some trans humanists here, the key fundamental flaw is that that are many facets and very small at that that goes into cognition that doesn't translate directly to the tech sphere. Technology has it's place, problem is, people want to use it for everything (ironically technology doesn't just live in the digital sphere, but it also lives in the analog one and for better or worse, we are still analog beings at the core, "porting" over to digital isn't quite as straight forward).

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

Half-chewed crayons are also tools, everything has varying levels of usefulness.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Half-chewed crayons are also tools, everything has varying levels of usefulness.

Not the same thing, it still requires the same level from the user compared to a fresh new crayon (crayons are actually quite robust, can even do traditional 2D animation with them as well). "AI" is an abstraction, a black box at that, especially if using cloud based ones. Maybe local "AI" that never sees WAN access and is OSS, not just open weight. A tool doesn't hide anything from the user, it may simplify, but simplification does not extend to being a black box. Your beholding to the supposed tool at that point, it's not a tool but a crutch.

 

[Johnny Best]

"Half chewed crayons!" Somebody did not put them away. Or someone is not watching the kids or dog. I have never used AI, have seen results of people using it. But I am not picking up those crayons.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

"Half chewed crayons!" Somebody did not put them away. Or someone is not watching the kids or dog. I have never used AI, have seen results of people using it. But I am not picking up those crayons.

I didn't even think of that part of it. As an aggie (with two degrees that was related to aggie (but only one that dealt with far worse compared to chewed up crayons)), that just didn't register. I reckon it should, but it just didn't.

 

[Boudica]

I'm an "up-cycle" kind, so I can, and have done things with old crayons. I've got a crayon wax melter with molds. I've also been known to take shavings, makes artistic shapes and lay them in the sun to melt. For money? Nope, I just like making things. I make things for money at work. Outside of that, I'm a maker for fun.

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

Wait, we're supposed to get paid for work?

 

[Bobby H]

That C.H.A.T. G.P.T. poster is actually one example where the use of shitty default Arial type works well.

 

[Ron at Forest Litho]

I recently told my group that if they do use an online AI to design something, see what the largest size it will allow you.
Such as: don't design a business card at 2" x 3.5" Design it at 11 x 18" That way when they give you their low res PNG file.
When you shrink it to business card size it will actually be at 360 dpi. That I can pump up and work with!

 

[vectortracingpro]

AI-designed art can be creative and eye-catching, but getting it production-ready may require clean vector artwork. If your AI-generated logo needs sharp, scalable, editable files for printing, branding, embroidery, or signage, consider professional manual vector conversion to achieve a polished, usable result across different applications.

 

[Smoke_Jaguar]

When someone says AI imagery is creative, they out themselves as a clanker.

 

[Ron at Forest Litho]

AI-designed art can be creative and eye-catching, but getting it production-ready may require clean vector artwork. If your AI-generated logo needs sharp, scalable, editable files for printing, branding, embroidery, or signage, consider professional manual vector conversion to achieve a polished, usable result across different applications.

But apparently the AI's that people use don't give you vectors or any type of hi-res. They only seem to let people save them as a low to medium resolution PNG files

 

[WildWestDesigns]

AI-designed art can be creative and eye-catching, but getting it production-ready may require clean vector artwork.

"AI" isn't creative in the sense that it can't extrapolate something new from what it's already seen. It has to be trained on something before hand. It can't really pull something beyond that. It may be able to tweak, but it still needs to "see" something before hand in order to be able to use it in a result. And it can only use that thing.

Also, with something like this, some most people would have access to it, the outputs coming down are going to be more plain, more sterile and as deskilling happens (those that knew how to do things that are now abstracted are gone), this will be accepted more because it's what people are used to, not what is objectively better. As automated tools are used more and more, more untrained/unskilled people are able to get further, but they can't clean up, they can't get it beyond serviceable. The 2nd/3rd generation of users (if we are lucky) aren't going to know what is going on behind the scenes.

If your AI-generated logo needs sharp, scalable, editable files for printing, branding, embroidery, or signage, consider professional manual vector conversion to achieve a polished, usable result across different applications.

Not necessarily, in fact, that's the irony. I can be sent the most beautifully setup vector file and it still needs changes. Plus, either way, I would still have to go over on top of what I'm sent, regardless of the master file format. For other things, yea, vector is the way to go, but for that one, it doesn't really matter as much as one things, just so long as it's a good quality raster file at a decent resolution, that will work.

Going back to the "AI" generated image, last time I checked, using an "AI" generated image as is (or without substantive (vague, could be interpreted differently depending on the jurisdiction) human intervention), there is no protection for the logo. Might as well be using clip art at that point. I'm sure bigger companies through their lobbyists would probably get that changed, but that is the way that it is now, last time I checked, atleast here stateside.

As much as I like my tech, we are losing something in this tech push. We are still a very analog species. Analog computing(our senses are a form of analog/biological computing) is really what we need, it just is, people have gotten lazy about it (it really is laziness just sold as "efficiency"). How "AI" distributes information to us is not actually how we learn and retain knowledge (numerous studies coming out about this, especially with younger generation, where learning is easily absorbed versus when trying to learn something at where I am at now, even though the desire is there).