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myront

Dammit, make it faster!!
Received an email with an embedded image/design for a sign.
Me: "Image is too pixelated, what did you design it in?"
Reply: Chatgpt

tried autotrace & also a paid autotrace service but both produce less than desired result. I can't put a lot of art time into this without charging a hefty fee.

I see that chatgpt can produce a pdf or svg file by uploading the image. I tried that but it was even worse than a quicktrace. Would it be possible for the client to log in and use the exact same process to make it then ask to provide a pdf?
 
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Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
Received an email with an embedded image/design for a sign.
Me: "Image is too pixelated, what did you design it in?"
Reply: Chatgpt

tried autotrace & also a paid autotrace service but both produce less that desired result. I can't put a lot of art time into this without charging a hefty fee.

I see that chatgpt can produce a pdf or svg file by uploading the image. I tried that but it was even worse that a quicktrace. Would it be possible if the client logged in and used the exact same process to make it then ask to provide a pdf?
I doubt it. This is how I got a side-gig re-creating something Chatgpt generated. They wanted to use it as a wall mural, and there was no way that was going to work. Plus they wanted further customization, which would have been impossible unless it was vectorized and recreated.
 

myront

Dammit, make it faster!!
Actually posed the question to chatgpt. Said yes, if the client had logged in then they can find their chat history and get a pdf from there.
 

myront

Dammit, make it faster!!
15min to do a "quick trace & clean" i.e. sub fonts and delete various unneeded artifacts. Probably adds about $30-40 to the order.
 

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
Just a question. and I'm not sure the answer. If chat gpt can vectorize an image that it created, what will that do to the industry?
same thing it's doing now. You can text to vector with adobe products, not really any different. The industry will be inundated with crap, the developers will slowly fix/improve the results, but we are still a ways away from any true threat. In time though, it's not just our industry that will be beholden to the bot, all of mankind will be. For everything.
 

CanuckSigns

Active Member
There is an AI service that will create vector graphic files from your prompts, i tried it out with something simple like " draw me an illustration of a duck" and what it came back with looked like something my 5 year old would draw, I wouldn't be worried just yet.
 

somcalmetim

New Member
Received an email with an embedded image/design for a sign.
Me: "Image is too pixelated, what did you design it in?"
Reply: Chatgpt

tried autotrace & also a paid autotrace service but both produce less than desired result. I can't put a lot of art time into this without charging a hefty fee.

I see that chatgpt can produce a pdf or svg file by uploading the image. I tried that but it was even worse than a quicktrace. Would it be possible for the client to log in and use the exact same process to make it then ask to provide a pdf?
1-Get the customer to go back and ask Chat GPt for a large resolution file. It can give you one if you ask it.
2-Take that file and upscale it more with Topaz AI Upscaler...it does quite well at fixing the edges of blurry text and even adding details that were not even legible in the og image...
With this you can usually at least get a fairly high resolution image to start work with...sometimes the bitmap is high res enough I can fix/modify the parts of the design I need to with vector and just print the rest fairly large in bitmap without vectorizing with no issues...

Not an ad....but Topaz Gigapixel Ai Upscaler can do some pretty amazing things with some low res files..you can change the level of creativity it uses to just upscale or add AI detail...
 

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Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
1-Get the customer to go back and ask Chat GPt for a large resolution file. It can give you one if you ask it.
2-Take that file and upscale it more with Topaz AI Upscaler...it does quite well at fixing the edges of blurry text and even adding details that were not even legible in the og image...
With this you can usually at least get a fairly high resolution image to start work with...sometimes the bitmap is high res enough I can fix/modify the parts of the design I need to with vector and just print the rest fairly large in bitmap without vectorizing with no issues...

Not an ad....but Topaz Gigapixel Ai Upscaler can do some pretty amazing things with some low res files..you can change the level of creativity it uses to just upscale or add AI detail...
Yep, great workaround. I do this too, but really, topaz can be quite useful. However using it is only enabling the ultimate bot takeover. We are our only demise by using it. The largest question is where to draw the line. Currently there is no line, which is the scariest part.
 

pro-UP

New Member
1-Get the customer to go back and ask Chat GPt for a large resolution file. It can give you one if you ask it.
2-Take that file and upscale it more with Topaz AI Upscaler...it does quite well at fixing the edges of blurry text and even adding details that were not even legible in the og image...
With this you can usually at least get a fairly high resolution image to start work with...sometimes the bitmap is high res enough I can fix/modify the parts of the design I need to with vector and just print the rest fairly large in bitmap without vectorizing with no issues...

Not an ad....but Topaz Gigapixel Ai Upscaler can do some pretty amazing things with some low res files..you can change the level of creativity it uses to just upscale or add AI detail...
What happened to her hands and feet? It did really well is a lot of areas and made a mess of others. It's still really interesting to see what these can do.
 

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
What happened to her hands and feet? It did really well is a lot of areas and made a mess of others. It's still really interesting to see what these can do.
Feed it and it will grow. I take what it does and make it better with my human skills when I can. Otherwise, if you keep trying to educate it, it's just feeding the monster.
 

White Haus

Not a Newbie
Yep, great workaround. I do this too, but really, topaz can be quite useful. However using it is only enabling the ultimate bot takeover. We are our only demise by using it. The largest question is where to draw the line. Currently there is no line, which is the scariest part.

On 2 occasions recently I've used chatgpt or a stock site AI-generated image and ran it through topaz gigapixel to "enhance" the resolution.

Both times I had to laugh - I got AI to clean up AI generated art. Ha.
 

White Haus

Not a Newbie
But it's kinda more depressing than funny...
Meh. I get the whole "robots taking over" side of things, but when I can get AI to quickly generate an image of a unicorn under a rainbow for a client's daughter's wall and move onto other things, I like it.

Other thing was generating a photo of a food item that the client was too lazy/incompetent to send pics of and we definitely didn't have time for photo shoot. Ran through AI, got approval, printed and shipped just in the nick of time for their next event. AI generated image was pretty much on par with the overpriced image from Adobe Stock next to it.

I see it as a helpful tool to help me out of a bind when I need it, not a crutch to replace real talent. I've listened to lots of podcasts on the topic lately (some related to the sign industry) and the common theme seems to be either get on board or get out of the way. Like it or not, it's here to stay and will forever change our industry going forward.
 

JBurton

Signtologist
After a certain point of us using ai, then eventually you'll have grok asking deepseek for inspiration, where deepseek has just asked chatgpt, who bing'd out a response with copilot, fed that back through firefly, and sent it down the train back to grok, who then spins it into a race riot or epstein smut or some bullsh*t.
I saw the writing on the wall when my gmail started offering generic positive/negative responses, and all I could wonder is how long until we are all just clicking these and generating a conversation that we aren't really part of.
 

WildWestDesigns

Active Member
While at this point, I'm not one for the "skynet" view of things, but that may change, the one thing that I do worry about is the loss of knowledge. Even users that know how to do things the more manual/semi-manual way are noticing a slow down in various endeavours, be it art, code, music etc.

This isn't a new thing however. As more and more automation has come, users that mainly have known the automation and not really what is going on behind the scenes. Which is fine if everything is working, no bueno when it isn't. How many people only know live/power trace or whatever the auto conversion is known as? While that isn't even what passes for "AI" right now, it's along the same level of abstraction. That's why there is so much crap product out there, but unfortunately, it's been around long enough that that is what most people are used to, even "professionals".

While it puts out horrid output now except for the most simplistic of things (kinda like auto trace), there may be a chance that it gets better, but have to remember, there is enough "AI" generated content out there, that it's actually "learning" from itself. That also isn't good, especially if it's learning off the bad output.

Some things may be good ideas, it's the implementation of said ideas as to if this is a good thing or not. I don't think that it is. There is no thought in how to do this in such a way that everything matures along together appropriately. It has some very good potential, but again, the devil is in the implementation and like with a lot of things, this just isn't good.

It is nowhere near up to snuff (crap even MS is forcing their employees to have to use their "AI" tools, that should tell one something, 40% of code that MS puts out along it's various products is "AI" generated, now it may take awhile, but we have seen major regressions in quality of products from various companies that are heavily leaning into "AI"), but it's already rampant where people are learning and I'm afraid that that's all that they are going to know what is going on behind the scenes. Granted, I'm not against automation in itself, but I firmly believe that people at least at some point should have gone through the teething pains of the manual/semi-manual way of doing things, that way they aren't dead in the water if something isn't going the way that they need it to go and can't get a fix otherwise.

But I could just be an old curmudgeon yelling at the clouds. Ironically, I like tech, I like creating my own tools to make my life easier, but I also firmly believe in doing things at least the semi-manual way. I don't like to be beholding to any one specific tool, why I have always avoided Adobe (or any brand that I use) specific specialty tooling, made it much easier to switch if something went down that I didn't like.
 
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