I'm sure I read this thread when it was new, but my stance and pay sure has changed since then. $15/hr is not much in 2025, even though I think it is about right for a new hire. The college kids demand a lot more than that and are typically worth less than that, so I'm probably done with that route. I hired an older employee who had their own shop previously, and that didn't work either. For now, we are a 4 man shop and I don't see that changing. I could use more help, but its not worth the headache.