Ij180 vs 40c

[CC-CMYK]

What’s the differences between IJ180 and 40c. I’m wondering if 180 is more sticky then 40c? 40c seem to be more tacky at first then 180. Does 180 stick better over time?

I was just installing on a window. It was 50 degrees out and it didn’t seem to stick the best.

 

[Zac]

IJ180 is a cast wrap film. IJ40C is calendared.

Even though it’s usually for vehicles, I would use IJ180 for wall wraps if I knew it was going to be heavily textured or rough/matte finish and needed some extra bite/stretch.

IJ40C for anything flat and glossy. Mainly short term box truck or wall wraps.

Cast (IJ180) is more expensive but more pliable and lasts longer, the calendared (IJ40C) should be cheaper overall, but probably isn’t by much nowadays.

IJ40 on glass would be fine. Be aware some customers hate the look of gray adhesive on the back of most wrap vinyls when placed on glass.

For cut vinyl on glass, I recommend to use a dedicated cast material such as Oracal 751. You won’t have those issues with colder installs with a proper cast vinyl.

 

[CC-CMYK]

IJ180 is a cast wrap film. IJ40C is calendared.

Even though it’s usually for vehicles, I would use IJ180 for wall wraps if I knew it was going to be heavily textured or rough/matte finish and needed some extra bite/stretch.

IJ40C for anything flat and glossy. Mainly short term box truck or wall wraps.

Cast (IJ180) is more expensive but more pliable and lasts longer, the calendared (IJ40C) should be cheaper overall, but probably isn’t by much nowadays.

IJ40 on glass would be fine. Be aware some customers hate the look of gray adhesive on the back of most wrap vinyls when placed on glass.

For cut vinyl on glass, I recommend to use a dedicated cast material such as Oracal 751. You won’t have those issues with colder installs with a proper cast vinyl.

Thanks. I’m applying ij180 clear to etched windows. It has a subtle texture. Almost a paper feel to it. Maybe more like a high grit sand paper 400 or above. I’ve used 40c and have mixed results. Did a 9 month wrap and it worked out fine some pealing edges and another time I did cut vinyl 40c letters and it was terrible. So do you think ij180 is the way to go??

 

[Notarealsignguy]

Cast vs cal. Both stick the same.

 

[CC-CMYK]

Cast vs cal. Both stick the same.

Cast what? Cal.? Ij180 vs 40c in my testing ij180 stick much better.

 

[Notarealsignguy]

How do you have 3 employees and not know the difference between a cast vinyl and a calendared vinyl?

 

[CC-CMYK]

How do you have 3 employees and not know the difference between a cast vinyl and a calendared vinyl?

I understand the difference. I guess I’m just a little nervous about using something different and more expensive then the 40c I usually use.

 

[Zac]

The IJ180 clear is overkill for window applications. Use a cast material, but you don’t need a wrap material, there are no curves in glass.

If you had peeled edges on a wrap after 9 months it did not ‘work out fine’. You should use IJ180 for anything with curves.

I suggest adding a non-wrap printable cast film with clear adhesive to your inventory. You’re leaving a lot of profit on the table in your material choices. There should be no reason to use IJ180 on glass as standard practice.

The easiest solution since you don’t seem like much of a reader, is to talk to your supplier rep and ask them these same questions. They will be more helpful and educate you more than other owners here, who will roast you for not understanding the most basic production materials for your business, like you should.

 

[CC-CMYK]

The IJ180 clear is overkill for window applications. Use a cast material, but you don’t need a wrap material, there are no curves in glass.

If you had peeled edges on a wrap after 9 months it did not ‘work out fine’. You should use IJ180 for anything with curves.

I suggest adding a non-wrap printable cast film with clear adhesive to your inventory. You’re leaving a lot of profit on the table in your material choices. There should be no reason to use IJ180 on glass as standard practice.

The easiest solution since you don’t seem like much of a reader, is to talk to your supplier rep and ask them these same questions. They will be more helpful and educate you more than other owners here, who will roast you for not understanding the most basic production materials for your business, like you should.

Ij180 is exactly what my 3m rep recommended to me. You don’t have to insult me. I understand the differences in cast and calendar we film. I’ve never worked with 180 before and my rep said it was the better bet on theses windows facing east where 40c has failed me.

 

[Zac]

You say you understand the differences, yet your question is asking the differences.

So forgive me for being confused, but what exactly are you asking, if you’re not asking if cast is better than calendared?

Unless there’s not much else in stock, there are much better materials for window applications that your rep should be offering. Sounds like they wanted to offer you the most expensive options.

 

[Boudica]

Cast what? Cal.? Ij180 vs 40c in my testing ij180 stick much better.

40C is removable.

 

[MarkSnelling]

Putting IJ 180 on a window is like putting premium gas in a Pinto. There are a lot of much less expensive films that can go on a window which will look and feel the same in the end....and there are also plenty of film which can be applied in temperatures down to zero degrees Fahrenheit. Sticking to a flat smooth surface is usually quite easy and you could be using films that are no more than $250/roll instead of the $500 3M stuff.

 

[signstopstatecollege]

Putting IJ 180 on a window is like putting premium gas in a Pinto. There are a lot of much less expensive films that can go on a window which will look and feel the same in the end....and there are also plenty of film which can be applied in temperatures down to zero degrees Fahrenheit. Sticking to a flat smooth surface is usually quite easy and you could be using films that are no more than $250/roll instead of the $500 3M stuff.

I know this is super old, but I'm thinking of upgrading vinyl types and have similar questions. I run a small shop and we mostly do flat signs. Some permanent, but mainly 3-5 years outdoors at most.

We used Oracal 3640 for many years and got by just fine. I started using 3M IJ35C and noticed a huge difference. I read comments like the ones before yours and people are trashing products that have worked just fine for me. That said, there are better products out there. For flat signage, am I better off upgrading to 40C instead of jumping all the way to IJ180? It seems like overkill if I'm using the proper laminate.

 

[signstopstatecollege]

You say you understand the differences, yet your question is asking the differences.

So forgive me for being confused, but what exactly are you asking, if you’re not asking if cast is better than calendared?

Unless there’s not much else in stock, there are much better materials for window applications that your rep should be offering. Sounds like they wanted to offer you the most expensive options.

I recently went from Oracal 3640/3641 to 3M IJ35C and noticed a huge difference. I'm considering upgrading to IJ40, but I see people trashing anything calendared...While the quality may not be as good, we've gotten by just fine with a really cheap vinyl for many years. I run a small shop by myself, so saving money is a concern, but I also want to make investments in the right places. Let's assume I use a 3M recommended laminate. Is IJ180 really worth almost twice the cost for a 54" roll than IJ40 when I'm just making flat signs? It sounds like overkill.

 

[MarkSnelling]

I know this is super old, but I'm thinking of upgrading vinyl types and have similar questions. I run a small shop and we mostly do flat signs. Some permanent, but mainly 3-5 years outdoors at most.

We used Oracal 3640 for many years and got by just fine. I started using 3M IJ35C and noticed a huge difference. I read comments like the ones before yours and people are trashing products that have worked just fine for me. That said, there are better products out there. For flat signage, am I better off upgrading to 40C instead of jumping all the way to IJ180? It seems like overkill if I'm using the proper laminate.

When you say you "noticed a huge difference"....what was the difference? There is zero reason to use 180 on a flat substrate. It will do the job, but so will premium gas in a Pinto. True polymeric films will perform longer than 5 years outdoors and paired with a matching quality laminate, you should see success. There is nothing bad I can say about premium products like 180, but many times it is just overkill.

The biggest area that I try to make an impact is when a sales person doesn't know confidently if a film will 'stick' to a particular substrate so they immediately go to 180. It will stick damn near every time. But so will a polymeric with a good high tack adhesive....for half the cost. If you can sell based off of 3M pricing, then keep the price up there and buy media that is half the cost. Not $20 a roll cheaper...but $300/roll. If you provide me a UPS or FedEx number I can send you a regular and a high tack test roll from Drytac for you to play around with. They make great stuff in Toronto! And their adhesives can be applied in temperatures down to -5 degrees. Air egress, smooth liners, grey adhesives, matte, gloss, they've got you covered with good matching laminates.