Thanks for the info sightline I will have to check them out. I just missed a 54" on craigslist and they were asking 6000 without the rip software but it included 16 ink cartridges. I am still kicking myself for not going after it sooner, just recieved an email this morning and he said it is sold. I noticed you always had positive things to say about the Mimakis, they sound like a really solid, reliable machine.