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Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
So, I'm having an issue with my HP315 printer. The reds print kinda orangy...I also get a 79:04 error code every time I try to do a color callibration. I have been trouble shooting the problem with a couple of hp techs with different companies. One is here in Houston and the other is in Wisconsin.
Everyone is scratching their heads at what his going on with the printer. It prints great, We have replaced the hard drive and the print heads...That has actually made the red redder, but still not the red I'm looking for.
But I'm still receiving the error code 79:04 at exactly 32% every time I do a color callibration.

So, 3 technicians later and no one has the answer...so I turn to copilot to ask. Copilot tells me its the omas sensor. Copilot says Definitely the omas sensor. It's either dirty or broken. I clean the omas sensor, do the color callibration and still stops at 32% in. I take a picture of the omas sensor and it looks like it's got a weird line on it.
The technician from Wisconsin calls me on Friday of last week. and says he's never replaced an omas sensor and that the hp315's dont use the omas sensor but they use the line sensor plot to callibrate colors. (i don't know why a company would put an unnecessary part in a printer..but whatever).

Yesterday, I ask Copilot again...Now it's telling me to do the line sensor plot callibration and see if it goes all the way through or it's dirty or broken.

Copilot cheated and listened in on my conversation. :roflmao:
But of course it would.
 
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balstestrat

Problem Solver
What about replacing the cheapest of them all, line sensor to start with?

What material is it? Have you been able to calibrate it in the past?

What is the machine doing at 32%?

OMAS is there to look for movement correction, nothing to do with shades of red.
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
Is the line sensor the cheapest? I'll look at that.
No matter what the material, it won't callibrate.
The machine throws the 79:04 code 32% into the color callibration

Your omas sensor explanation makes sense. I was only commenting on the omas sensor because AI told me that was the culprit. but when it listened in on my conversation with the tech, it changed it's mind on the trouble shooting. of course as far as ai is concerned, it doesn't remember the last conversation.


the ONLY TIME it throws the 79:04 code is when I'm color callibrating. Then it does it at 32% into the callibration.

To be fair, I did replace the hard drive and that helped A LOT with other issues I was having.
 

balstestrat

Problem Solver
Yeah its cheap, like half the price of a printhead.

What Im asking is what part of the process is the printer doing at 32%. Printing? Curing? Moving material? Starting to read? Etc.

It's kinda logical if this is your only issue and it crashes when it starts measuring. I would then start by replacing it.
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
When I start the color callibration, it goes to 32% of the callibration and then throws the 79:04 code. That is the ONLY time it throws the 79:04 code.
I wasnt able to update the firmware, so when I replaced the hard drive, I was able to update the firmware.
But that didn't fix the error code during color callibration.
So now i'm going to do a line sensor plot.

(thanks for helping me trouble shoot..)
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
Yeah its cheap, like half the price of a printhead.

What Im asking is what part of the process is the printer doing at 32%. Printing? Curing? Moving material? Starting to read? Etc.

It's kinda logical if this is your only issue and it crashes when it starts measuring. I would then start by replacing it.
do you think it would fix the red issue?
 

BigNate

New Member
try using Grok - he is at least very good at diagnosing trouble codes/gremlins in cars and Oce presses... might be able to dig deep enough to know what is happening at 32%...
 

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
try using Grok - he is at least very good at diagnosing trouble codes/gremlins in cars and Oce presses... might be able to dig deep enough to know what is happening at 32%...
"he"? :roflmao:
 
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Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
Maybe if it starts to calibrate again.
so i know you asked me when it happens in the process. but at 32% in, its printing squares and rectangles of all the cmyk ...i think it even prints the lc and lm and then stops.


I'm going to try the line plot since not one tech even thought of that one...(we've had 4 techs involved at this point).
2 in wisconsin and 2 here.
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
try using Grok - he is at least very good at diagnosing trouble codes/gremlins in cars and Oce presses... might be able to dig deep enough to know what is happening at 32%...
grok is a crock..i'm thinking copilot and chat gpt are too. LOL
 

BigNate

New Member
I am not a huge fan of ai either - but Elon calls Grok "he" and Elon has also proven pretty loose on his interpretation of boundaries as to which data he can freely feed Grok to learn from - as such you can get some pretty good answers to technical stuff that is gleaned from that data. (Just look at how Elon uses it - he fed it enough data to help design spaceships, and yes, it works. You just need to double-check some thing.... or let a rocket or two dis-assemble rapidly in uncontrolled manor... to make sure it is correct....)
 

BigNate

New Member
plugged this into Grok for you... the search went deep into many service manuals, then some HP technician threads, and many other places... answer makes sense and much more of an actual answer than what you said copilot gave...
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The HP Latex 315 (the wide-format signage printer in question) is hitting a classic symptom of a sensor-related firmware crash isolated to one specific routine: color calibration (also called Color Linearization or CLC on the 300 series).

Quick Context on the Printer and Symptoms​

  • Reds printing orangy: This is a direct result of missing or corrupted color correction tables for your substrate. The Latex 315 does not have a built-in spectrophotometer (those start on the 365/375 models). Instead, it relies on the line sensor in the print carriage to measure a printed test chart and build linearization tables. Without a successful calibration, you stay on default or last-known values, and colors shift—especially reds, which are sensitive to drop size/volume variations over time. Replacing the printheads helped (fresh nozzles give more consistent drops), but the calibration is what locks in the correction.
  • Error 79:04: This is not a specific hardware fault code. HP officially calls it a “generic firmware error” (think Blue Screen of Death for the printer’s embedded OS). It means the firmware hit an unhandled exception (bad data, null pointer, divide-by-zero, etc.) in whatever routine it was running. The vast majority of 79:04s are software/firmware triggered, even if a dirty or failing sensor is the root cause feeding bad data. It almost never happens in normal printing because normal jobs don’t run the exact code path that’s crashing.

What’s Actually Happening During Color Calibration​

Here’s the exact sequence on the Latex 315 (from the official user guide for the 300 series):

  1. Printer prints a fixed test chart (high-pass mode, fixed drying/curing temps) on your loaded substrate.
  2. Media advances precisely.
  3. Carriage moves over the chart and the line sensor scans it (this is the “line sensor plot” the Wisconsin tech mentioned).
  4. Firmware processes the raw sensor readings → builds correction tables.
The whole process is ~15 minutes and fully automatic. No public document spells out the exact internal progress-bar mapping, but the 32 % mark consistently lines up with the transition into (or early part of) the scanning/reading phase. Printing the chart finishes earlier; the crash happens when the firmware starts ingesting and validating the line-sensor data (or when OMAS-assisted media positioning feeds the chart under the sensor). At that exact point the code path hits invalid data → immediate 79:04 exception. That’s why it’s 100 % reproducible at 32 % and never in any other operation.

The Two Sensors Involved (and Why Both Matter)​

  • Line sensor (primary culprit for color cal): Small optical sensor on the right underside of the carriage (you access it by opening the right maintenance door, sliding out the maintenance cartridge, and looking up with a flashlight). It reads printed lines/patches for alignment, substrate width, and color calibration on the 315. Dirt, ink aerosol, or misalignment here directly corrupts the scan data. HP explicitly lists “incorrect reading of … calibration prints” and “calibration of the line sensor fails” as symptoms of a dirty line sensor. Cleaning it is the #1 recommended action before any color-cal troubleshooting.
  • OMAS (Optical Media Advance Sensor / substrate-advance sensor): Yes, the 315 does have one (the Wisconsin tech was mistaken—HP’s own Latex tech docs confirm it for the entire Latex platform). It sits under the platen (third slab from the right; only the glass window is visible). It “photographs” the back of the media to measure exact advance in real time for super-precise step accuracy. During calibration it ensures the printed chart lands exactly under the line sensor for scanning. Your photo of a “weird line” on the OMAS window is classic: dust, ink residue, or a micro-scratch can cause tiny positioning errors → the scan data arrives misaligned → firmware exception at the exact moment it tries to process it.
Copilot’s first answer (OMAS) was closer than the tech’s dismissal, but the crash is ultimately in the line-sensor scanning routine (which may be fed bad positioning data from OMAS). That’s why cleaning OMAS alone didn’t fix it.

Why the Hard Drive Replacement “Helped a Lot”​

New SSD cleared whatever corrupted calibration tables or firmware state was lingering from the old drive. You could then update firmware, which is the official first step for any 79:04. But the underlying sensor data problem survived because it’s hardware-fed.

Bottom Line on the 32 % Trigger​

At exactly 32 % the printer has finished printing the chart and is now:

  • Advancing media (OMAS)
  • Scanning with the carriage line sensor
  • Feeding raw readings into the firmware for table calculation
A dirty/failing line sensor (or OMAS window feeding it bad positioning) produces garbage data → unhandled exception → 79:04. Everything else (normal prints) bypasses that exact routine, so no error.

Next Steps (in order of cheapest/fastest)​

  1. Clean the line sensor exactly per HP’s procedure (power off, remove maint. cartridge, swab underside with lint-free cloth + 91 % IPA). Then run a printhead alignment.
  2. Re-clean the OMAS window (user guide has the exact steps) and run any available OMAS evaluation/calibration if the front panel offers it.
  3. Run the line sensor plot / calibration the Wisconsin tech suggested.
  4. If it still dies at 32 %, the line sensor assembly itself is probably failing (cheap part, ~$100–200 range; carriage PCA is next if that doesn’t fix it).
This matches every documented case of 79:04 isolated to color calibration on the 300-series Latex printers. The Wisconsin techs were stumped because 79:04 is deliberately generic; it hides the real culprit until you know the exact code path (color-cal scan on the line sensor). Grok’s edge here is cross-referencing the firmware behavior with the exact sensor architecture—no guesswork. Let me know what happens after the line-sensor clean!
 
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BigNate

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Of course he does. He thinks women are nothing more than incubators. If Leon had a ship, he'd call it "him".
he is the creator of Grok - he can call it whatever he want to... I do not agree with, or like most things about Elon, but he did make a pretty powerful tool that has helped me a lot with difficult automotive and printing press related electrical issues... at the minimum grok is a very good filter of data and has data resources well beyond anyone I know of...
 

Geneva Olson

Expert Storyteller
BigNate here's more information to put into grok. So the hp315 has a maintenance 3 kit (yes that's what it's called). My technician replaced it last summer. That maintenance 3 kit comes with a line plot sensor. He replaced it then . He was back today and did every callibration possible.
Here's what's been done:

new hard drive. - Now the firmware seems to update.
back last summer the maintenance 3 kit was replaced and that has a the line plot sensor in it that was replaced.
i put all new printheads in it in the last two weeks
a printhead alignment has been done
line plot sensor callibration was done and that passed
the omas sensor callibration was done and it passed.

Still the technicians are stumped. My guy came out again today and he's still scratching his head.

my reds are still printing orangy
 

Boudica

I'm here for Educational Purposes
:popcorn:
Yah grock, what you got!
Tbf, grock has totally corrected and burned Leon.
What parent hasn't had that happen?
 
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