thank you, checking them out!We've looked at all sorts of order systems and most are unnecessarily complex for our 4 person shop. Best of them was Casper which is available as web-based or hosted locally. We use Quickbooks Pro (subscription) desktop for Invoicing/accounting and payroll and Outlook tasks (color code categories for quote/pending/order/production/install/invoice etc.synched with Companionlink on three networked pcs) for scheduling/tracking orders. Works fine for now as we do fewer/ larger projects than our competition and not a lot of smaller transactions which would require something more designed to handle a lot of individual transactions. You could also use tasks via office 365 subscription for a web-based work-around.