New Colorado

[KEYSER SOZE]

Got this from Canon a few hours ago .
Anyone heard anything about it ?

We’re about to share something ground-breaking.

On 1st of October 10am AEST, we’re unveiling a new printer. One that’s designed to solve the daily disconnect so many in the industry experience between speed, quality, media flexibility, and ease of use.

It’s where automation meets control. Where reliability meets creativity. And it all comes together on the 1st of October.

Secure your spot at the online launch now.​

 

[MarkSnelling]

It is going to be pretty awesome. Can't say anything (even though a ton of people already know) until tomorrow's event. If the speeds hold up and the price stays where their target is, it is going to be a big game changer.

 

[Pauly]

It is going to be pretty awesome. Can't say anything (even though a ton of people already know) until tomorrow's event. If the speeds hold up and the price stays where their target is, it is going to be a big game changer.

Fingers crossed on output speeds and what it can/cannot do.
We love the UVGel platform - Very excited for this.

 

[tudouqiezi]

I'm curious aside from size, what other differences does the new printer have compared to the M5W? Of course, all we need to do is wait patiently to find out.

 

[MarkSnelling]

I'm curious aside from size, what other differences does the new printer have compared to the M5W? Of course, all we need to do is wait patiently to find out.

I'm not saying anything until tomorrow due to a NDA, but it is going to be pretty amazing. Tune in!

 

[ElfringbE]

Looking forward to seeing this tomorrow morning.

 

[Joseph44708]

It going to be like combining a Colorado and a Arizona together.

 

[tudouqiezi]

It looks like the transaction price will be very high.

 

[White Haus]

Man that thing looks impressive! Full width curing is interesting, not being tied to the carriage. Seems like they're really throwing a lot of new tech into one box.

My first reaction was that it would be a R2000 killer but I bet it will be much more than that.

Not something we're in the market for but it will be interesting to see what prince point it's at.

 

[MarkSnelling]

My notes:


Machine will be modular like we are used to…it will print roll-to-roll or people can upgrade to hybrid. White is optional and can be added any time.
Will print on Mesh with liner
750sf/hour in Quality mode…2100 in high speed
Matte and Gloss will print at the same speed (currently matte is slower)
Machine has 2 year parts warranty. Heads are covered up to 50,000sq. Meters…around 500k/sf
Machine is 11’ wide
Users will be able to install their own print heads!
There is no curing carriage…just a 11’ wide bank of UV lamps…really cool.
In hybrid mode, it can print up to 2” thick substrates
XL7R is the roll version
XL7H is the hybrid version (you can up grade from the r to the h)
It will print textures…not as much as the Arizona can texture, but a little bit.
FLX Finish as well


As soon as I get pricing from Canon I'll share it on this thread. The goal in pricing that I believe Canon is going after is sub $300K to really go after the latex option....There will be a few units available in Q1 but likely we won't be installing these units until at least Q2.

 

[tudouqiezi]

I'm quite curious about the droplet size of the new printhead. The M5W's droplets appear larger than those of the 1650. Is there a significant difference in image detail between the Colorado XL and the M5W?

 

[Evan Gillette]

Super excited to move to one of these in a couple years if they prove reliable. Seems like they are going after the EFI style hybrids, with some awesome tech. Im assuming it will run the same heads as the M5 but maybe not if they are user servicable.

 

[MarkSnelling]

Super excited to move to one of these in a couple years if they prove reliable. Seems like they are going after the EFI style hybrids, with some awesome tech. Im assuming it will run the same heads as the M5 but maybe not if they are user servicable.

all new head design.

 

[soggywinter]

The XL will be 5ftx20ft in roll configuration and 15ftx20ft with the feed tables for hybrid
3 phase power with compressed air
the media transport is a vacuum belt with auto tension adjustment and steering
The head carriage can adjust the heads to adjust for media shrinkage
Bleed printing is on the feature roadmap

 

[soggywinter]

A few more thoughts
I'm hoping to see a Colorado XL mini version of this machine with the same internals and able to feed 5x10 boards short edge in the $100k USD price range competing with the HP R530. My guess is 2 years out based on the refresh frequency.

If the paper path adjustment automation is as good as I hope, the Colorado XL will be absolutely epic for short run packaging applications, especially if they publish an API for robot integration for feeding and flipping panels, and managing front to back alignment

My Colorado M3 is currently getting USD .076/square foot for ink cost and is insanely efficient with ink. Having similar or better costs for board printing would be really attractive.

With 2" of head clearance, I'm curious if the Colorado XL would be effective for printing on trays of schwag like flasks and cellphone cases and how well UVGel would work with irregular surfaces

 

[Pauly]

A few more thoughts
I'm hoping to see a Colorado XL mini version of this machine with the same internals and able to feed 5x10 boards short edge in the $100k USD price range competing with the HP R530. My guess is 2 years out based on the refresh frequency.

If the paper path adjustment automation is as good as I hope, the Colorado XL will be absolutely epic for short run packaging applications, especially if they publish an API for robot integration for feeding and flipping panels, and managing front to back alignment

My Colorado M3 is currently getting USD .076/square foot for ink cost and is insanely efficient with ink. Having similar or better costs for board printing would be really attractive.

With 2" of head clearance, I'm curious if the Colorado XL would be effective for printing on trays of schwag like flasks and cellphone cases and how well UVGel would work with irregular surfaces

Eh I'd rather see them push envelopes in the volume market. Entry market is quite saturated.

 

[victor bogdanov]

Eh I'd rather see them push envelopes in the volume market. Entry market is quite saturated.

I'd like to see them get into dtf, Epson needs some competition (just about every dtf printer out there running Epson heads including roland, mimaki, sts, china etc )

Brought this up to the Canon sales guy and techs and they never even heard of DTF

 

[soggywinter]

I'd like to see them get into dtf, Epson needs some competition (just about every dtf printer out there running Epson heads including roland, mimaki, sts, china etc )

Brought this up to the Canon sales guy and techs and they never even heard of DTF

I'm going to bug them at Printing United about DTF. If UVGel would work for uvDTF, then I don't think it would be a reach to build a hardware add-on to to feed and weed a UVDTF roll.

 

[soggywinter]

Eh I'd rather see them push envelopes in the volume market. Entry market is quite saturated.

What do you have in mind for pushing the envelope?

 

[MarkSnelling]

I'd like to see them get into dtf, Epson needs some competition (just about every dtf printer out there running Epson heads including roland, mimaki, sts, china etc )

Brought this up to the Canon sales guy and techs and they never even heard of DTF

To be fair, Canon sales guys/girls only sell their equipment (plus Colex and Fotoba) and they don't sell any consumables nor are they compensated for ink, so they can be out of touch with other markets as all they care about is selling more Arizona and Colorado printers. Nothing bad to say about them, but they sell within a pretty tight tunnel.