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New Flatbed Printer

the4uto

New Member
Hello all, I currently operate an Oce Arizona 365GT. I am looking to upgrade sometime next year. My service reps are pushing another Oce printer on me and I don't know much about the other available printers. We currently print on precut pieces of white steel. Our printer has a 4'x8' table and I would like to retain that size. I have no need for white ink, but wouldn't be opposed to using it. Does anyone have any suggestions for various printers? Budget would be $150k or less. Ideally less.. Thanks for you help!
 

johnnysigns

New Member
We were happy with our Vanguard and we ran a fair amount of precut parts in jigs that were printed after they were cut.
 

the4uto

New Member
We were happy with our Vanguard and we ran a fair amount of precut parts in jigs that were printed after they were cut.

Could you elaborate a little bit about the jigs? What material are they made out of, how you made them etc, does the vaccuum table work with the jig?

Thank you!
 

AlsEU

New Member
In the past, Fujifilm had in offer OCE's Arizona branded as Acuity. Now Fujifilm sells its own models of flatbed printers (Acuity Prime), check them out.
 

FireSprint.com

Trade Only Screen & Digital Sign Printing
There's alot of them out there. It's really important to set up a virtual demo. Send them some of your material and watch them print on it. Or even better, go see it in person. If speed is important to you, figure out what print mode you think is sellable by testing the same file in each mode, then time a board with a stopwatch.

Here's our video/blog where we go into alot more detail on making big purchases like this and how we do it here at FireSprint.
 

the4uto

New Member
There's alot of them out there. It's really important to set up a virtual demo. Send them some of your material and watch them print on it. Or even better, go see it in person. If speed is important to you, figure out what print mode you think is sellable by testing the same file in each mode, then time a board with a stopwatch.

Here's our video/blog where we go into alot more detail on making big purchases like this and how we do it here at FireSprint.
Thank you, I'll definitely take a look.
 

Raum Divarco

General Manager CUTWORX USA / Amcad & Graphics
Hello all, I currently operate an Oce Arizona 365GT. I am looking to upgrade sometime next year. My service reps are pushing another Oce printer on me and I don't know much about the other available printers. We currently print on precut pieces of white steel. Our printer has a 4'x8' table and I would like to retain that size. I have no need for white ink, but wouldn't be opposed to using it. Does anyone have any suggestions for various printers? Budget would be $150k or less. Ideally less.. Thanks for you help!
What type of volume are you looking at? Also, what quality of the image are you looking for as the baseline for your business?
 

Pauly

Complete Graphics
There's a lot of questions you need to answer before looking at different options.

Why are you upgrading?
I.e
Current one is to slow?
need better quality?
bigger table size (which you've already answered)

What do you want to gain from a new one?
 

the4uto

New Member
There's a lot of questions you need to answer before looking at different options.

Why are you upgrading?
I.e
Current one is to slow?
need better quality?
bigger table size (which you've already answered)

What do you want to gain from a new one?
Well, we bought our old printer very used and we are starting to pay for it. Parts keep needing to be replaced, the cost is adding up and also print head cost replacement on this machine is almost double that of newer machines. Also we would like to future proof. We are also developing new products to be made, but that is probably secondary. We could definitely do with better quality prints as well. I have also heard that some machines have a lacquer or poly coating channel, which might be of interest to us depending on cost. A stronger vacuum table is also something we would look into.
 

Pauly

Complete Graphics
Well, we bought our old printer very used and we are starting to pay for it. Parts keep needing to be replaced, the cost is adding up and also print head cost replacement on this machine is almost double that of newer machines. Also we would like to future proof. We are also developing new products to be made, but that is probably secondary. We could definitely do with better quality prints as well. I have also heard that some machines have a lacquer or poly coating channel, which might be of interest to us depending on cost. A stronger vacuum table is also something we would look into.

Let me be honest here.

Parts always need to be replaced. With a used machine, it's obvious you'll be replacing more with an older machine.
Printhead replacement is not so common, but it's going to happen on any printer depending on age and how well they're looked after.
& ALL printheads are expensive. they are literally the cost of the machine.

Better quality prints? here's the thing. The Arizona platform is regarded for it's higher quality prints vs most others. The newest model uses the same printhead (slight differences, same quality)
other printers use different brand and are either worse, same for that price point. if you want better, you'll be spending double or more.

More vacuum? the vacuum is great on these machines. Unless you want the "Flow" high volume pump which is designed so you don't need to mask the bed.
otherwise masking the bed will suck down anything.

Most of the time when people upgrade is if you need capabilities yours cannot do. for example a larger bed, or more throughput or both..

To me, it sounds like you're spending 150k and you'll have a new machine that'll print the same speed with the same quality.
I honestly suggest thinking about if it's worth buying something new that does the same job as the old.
 

the4uto

New Member
Let me be honest here.

Parts always need to be replaced. With a used machine, it's obvious you'll be replacing more with an older machine.
Printhead replacement is not so common, but it's going to happen on any printer depending on age and how well they're looked after.
& ALL printheads are expensive. they are literally the cost of the machine.

Better quality prints? here's the thing. The Arizona platform is regarded for it's higher quality prints vs most others. The newest model uses the same printhead (slight differences, same quality)
other printers use different brand and are either worse, same for that price point. if you want better, you'll be spending double or more.

More vacuum? the vacuum is great on these machines. Unless you want the "Flow" high volume pump which is designed so you don't need to mask the bed.
otherwise masking the bed will suck down anything.

Most of the time when people upgrade is if you need capabilities yours cannot do. for example a larger bed, or more throughput or both..

To me, it sounds like you're spending 150k and you'll have a new machine that'll print the same speed with the same quality.
I honestly suggest thinking about if it's worth buying something new that does the same job as the old.
The machine that was leading the pack for me currently was the V7000 Epson, which the print heads are roughly 1/3 the cost of the current print heads I'm using. Also ballpark figures I'm seeing are around ~$83k. I understand what you're saying, but the previous owner to our machine had done modifications and used some non-OEM parts, so we are having various issues related to that.
 

petepaz

New Member
There's a lot of questions you need to answer before looking at different options.

Why are you upgrading?
I.e
Current one is to slow?
need better quality?
bigger table size (which you've already answered)

What do you want to gain from a new one?
all important questions.
also if your current machine fits the bill you may not want to switch brands because you will be also switching inks and sometimes it's problem getting compatible inks for the substrate you are printing on. make sure to run some test samples
with that said we have a fuji/acuity and also an efi flatbed both do good quality work. both have their pros and cons. we generally print on sintra, styrene, foam board and acrylic
 

johnnysigns

New Member
We'd laser cut or CNC cut out of acrylic, SBS, corrugated that would locate the parts and we could run multiple parts up on the printer.
 

StratoJet

Merchant Member
Hello all, I currently operate an Oce Arizona 365GT. I am looking to upgrade sometime next year. My service reps are pushing another Oce printer on me and I don't know much about the other available printers. We currently print on precut pieces of white steel. Our printer has a 4'x8' table and I would like to retain that size. I have no need for white ink, but wouldn't be opposed to using it. Does anyone have any suggestions for various printers? Budget would be $150k or less. Ideally less.. Thanks for you help!
Where are you located? There will be a lot flatbeds to look at at the ISA in Las Vegas, April 12-14

 
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