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Onyx Thrive 24, Colorado M Series M3 - Multilayer Print/DoubleStrike

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MarkC1500

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Hi

When I print on our M-Series using Onyx 24 the colours and blacks are not vibrant and true. During the last couple of day we were playing around a bit. We managed to do a manual double print - print once, wind the media back and print again. The results were amazing.

I believe its fairly normal to require a double print/doublestrike to achieve this kind of depth and vibrance

I want to be able to do this automatically. The issue is the only print mode available with layers is one of the White print modes. we don't have white ink or the license. If i use the white ink mode all the layer options are there, but I have to enable white in in printer settings. Then the print fails as the printer rejects this.

I simply want to double strike my CMYK prints.

How can i do this?

Regards

Mark
 
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Tim Miller

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You could do something similar by building the profile off of a backlit profile, but I don't think you can do the multi-layer printing without the white ink license.
We have a backlit film profile that has two modes - "Backlit" or "Backlit density," - and it's basically a 2-layer print.
 
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MarkC1500

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Thanks for that. I don’t have a backlit profile to copy from on there. Is that something you could send me? Assuming same printer and onyx 24

Mark
 
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MarkC1500

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Ok. Thanks. I’m using avery cast self adhesive for vehicle wrapping. So I will get the generic backlit for transparent and then just change all the other settings to conform worh my media?
 
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TSC1985

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So...rather thank double-strike printing for all your standard non-translucent prints, have you considered (or have completed) color profiling? Double striking standard prints is going to a crazy "waste" and un-necessary time. What you should be doing is color optimizing by generating new profiles with a color-spectrometer (X-Rite). You will be able to greatly increase your gamut range and also generate a PMS sample matching. Understand also that as a 4CP printer the Colorado gamut output is going to be less wide and vivid than that of 6cp printers like the TruVis. However you should be able to achieve great results from this printer by color profiling. If you cannot do it your self there are companies that will come to you to teach and also set up profiles both online or in-person around the USA.
 
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MarkC1500

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Hi. Well yes. We have had the printer set up by canon when we purchased it. And it’s never been great. And they say it is what it is. In in Dubaj so no local support is very decent to be honest and they probably don’t even know

Mark
 
Pauly

Pauly

Printrade.com.au
MarkC1500 said:
Hi. Well yes. We have had the printer set up by canon when we purchased it. And it’s never been great. And they say it is what it is. In in Dubaj so no local support is very decent to be honest and they probably don’t even know

Mark
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When you say "setup" by cannon, did they install it, or did they install it and calibrate some of your stocks with a colour measuring device?
 
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MarkC1500

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I was not really involved in that process, they did use the colour measuring device, but for which media profile and which print modes i can not tell you.
A canon reprasentative came again today, not much use. But i told him to return next week with the colour measuring device and someone else.
Me personally, i have no experience in this field, just trying to sort the issue out for work.

Curiosity - Each media profile and each print mode within each media profile I need to run the full colour calibration routine with the colour measuring device?

Mark
 
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Tim Miller

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MarkC1500 said:
Thanks again. My media is gloss. That makes any difference?
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It shouldn't make much difference.
We do get pretty good color out of the Canon profiles. It's not perfect, and it's hard to hit some pantone reds, for example.
But I'd recommend starting with their stock profiles. For deeper colors, run "matte specialty" mode. It puts down more ink. But, it's still very hard to match screen printed colors.
 
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MarkC1500

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I need to print in gloss

What i would say when i print in flxfinish+ it prints in matte but the depth seems so much better. its just in matte which i don twant. this could be just perception but the colours seem deep in flxfisnih+
 
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Tim Miller

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Yeah, on some materials (particularly 3m 180) it doesn't do very well on deep colors in gloss mode.
MarkC1500 said:
What i would say when i print in flxfinish+ it prints in matte but the depth seems so much better. its just in matte which i don twant. this could be just perception but the colours seem deep in flxfisnih+
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Tim Miller

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If you need gloss printing, my advice doesn't really work here, because the backlit profiles are all matte. So is the multi-layer printing.
MarkC1500 said:
When you say i should get GF 224 TransMark 3.2mil Matte Perm Vinyl 460-MUS2307. This is media profile with printing profiles. I obviously use a different media. So what is the correct method of applying this or one of its print modes to my media? (or do i just tell onyx and printer is using a diferent media than it actually is?)
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MarkC1500

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I think the multilayer printing will work with one of the white modes, and both layers set to cmyk. I just don't have the white in hardware or license, I also believe (uneducated) that the normal gloss specialty single layer print should be providing substantially better results than it is. we will see when they come back with the colour measuring tool.

I also tried a double layer illustrator file with the second layer set as Spot 2, to it prints gloss with what i beleive is a 22 pass in flxfinish+ mode, and it still wasnt acceptable.

there is no way a printer of such expense cant print red and black properly
 
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