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Print shop Pricing

MAC_PRINTING

New Member
What SQFT price are shops using to estimate signs & banners?
Printing with a HP 365 in So cal- 3 person shop
I'm trying to set up a price sheet for a new employee.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

•13oz banner
•coroplast 4mil white
•foam board 3/16 white
•3 & 6mil PVC white
•ACM with Laminate
•Vinyl stickers
•Vinyl decals
•posters

Thanks!!
 

MrDav3C

New Member
I created a pricelist spreadsheet with rows for every common size ranging from A6 right through to 10' x 5', then columns for every substrate we sell as well as a column showing the SQM for each size which is useful if a customer wants an obscure size that isn't on the list.

For cut vinyls and printed vinyls, typicality we sell by the linear metre rather than SQFT / SQM as this is then directly proportional to how much media is used and costs.

If the job is extremely tedious or time consuming then we add an additional % to cover this (The PITA Factor) as there is nothing worse than being a busy idiot!

If a job is more bespoke or different to what we normally do, as a starting point we work out what the total cost of a job is and then multiply this by 3.1. If this seems too high or too low it's pretty easy then to adjust the selling cost to a figure we are comfortable with, knowing exactly how much profit we will make on the job and how much the job is worth.
 
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FireSprint.com

Wholesale Signs, Stickers, Banners-Free Shipping
If you have a free FireSprint account, we have a bunch of retail price girds you can use to get started. Of course you can just do that actual production in house. But the retail pricing can still be used either way.

 
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Stacey K

I like making signs
What SQFT price are shops using to estimate signs & banners?
Printing with a HP 365 in So cal- 3 person shop
I'm trying to set up a price sheet for a new employee.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

•13oz banner
•coroplast 4mil white
•foam board 3/16 white
•3 & 6mil PVC white
•ACM with Laminate
•Vinyl stickers
•Vinyl decals
•posters

Thanks!!
Simple banners needing 15 minutes of artwork (customer logo with phone, etc. for a parade) are around $5sq ft. Artwork over that I charge $80hr. Print ready is $4-4.50. That's what the sign shops in my area are charging so that's what I do also.

I use the FireSprint sell sheets for decals, coroplast, stickers - then add a set-up fee

A website like Signs.com can point you in the right direction if you need a general estimate in a pinch.

Cut vinyl I use linear pricing per the inch. Printed I use square foot but, keep in mind the size, then I might use linear instead. I do it both ways.

ACM, I made a few general board sizes and use those.

I get a lot of print ready artwork. I always add a set-up fee, sometimes I reduce the fee if it's actually print ready LOL
 

kcollinsdesign

Old member
Square footage pricing is almost irrelevant. The money is in design (both project design and effective graphic design), logistics (how to get the product where it needs to be), and installation (attaching the product to a wall, building, or other support).

If it can be rolled up and shipped in a box the customer can buy it from any of the multitude of online vendors for probably half the price you have to charge. If shipping is awkward and costly (say a UV printed 4x8 ACM panel), then shipping and delivery is going to cost more than the product. You start making some money here by delivering the product with addition profits made when you install the product. If you have the opportunity to design the graphics, even more profit can be made (design is where I make most of my profits). That 4x8 panel that cost $200 dollars to make can now sell for $800+ installed with a permit.

I performed a few weeks ago at a local city sponsored music festival (yes, like all sign guys I am also a musician). Over fifty acts over a weekend with five stages. It went well and we all had a good time. Interestingly, the cost the City had to pay for all the musical talent was one-fourth the cost they incurred setting up the stages and hiring set-up crews and sound engineers. It's not always obvious where the profits are!
 
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tulsagraphics

New Member
You're never going to find a reliable "across the board" price recommendation that's relevant for your specific use case. btw --> +1 for FireSprint's calculators -- their efforts are appreciated! They were doing great even before AI-dev work was a thing. Good stuff!

It's all about your market, your audience, your overhead. $5/sq.ft. on a banner is good but maybe that's an Oklahoma thing (when I can get that price 30% of the time). But in New York or Cali $5 might be really competitive or way overpriced. We're not even talking large banners / volume discounts. Cost of living, demand, your specific company's equipment/overhead/etc.. Half of my clients are price shopping, and half of "those" potentials are going to send me AI generated B.S. What's your time worth? Are you in a college town where every other house already owns a Cricut?

Regardless of audience, it's literally impossible to cater to all classes. Are you the high end shop or the low budget eBay seller? Are you pushing for walk-in clients from a highly visible location or competing as a web-to-print service or pushing for wholesale volume? I run eco-sol printers with an extreme focus on color matching for universities / municipalities ($$$), not lower cost UV / temporary signage applications. 26 years in, I couldn't possibly compete on that high volume, low margin stage, but then again, when I slept with the Mayor and cut them in on the profits it didn't matter what I charged. ;) What works for me will not work for you and vice-versa. Today's profitability doesn't mean shit tomorrow. The market is very fluid and highly competitive. Adapting to your market is more important than starting from a general WxHxQty calculation.

More than anything -- customers don't give AF what your pricing is or how you calculate it. Nor should you. They want a reasonable, justifiable cost. You just need to decide what you're comfortable with. Only YOU know your customers and what they're willing to pay. In the sign biz, we're all starting from favorable margins -- the idea is to capitalize on folks who are willing to spend more, and offer lower cost solutions to those with smaller budgets -- and hopefully you're in a good place at the end of the day. If you're in the black, keep pushing. In the red? Adapt. Evaluate your offerings on a regular basis. If you're winning jobs more than losing them -- you're on the right track. Don't just give your employee an easy button. Walk them through the production workflow and "hope" they understand why a $5 banner retails for $150. And when you figure out that balance, hire salespeople to replicate your efforts -- then -- continue to adapt.

If nothing else, quote a job to a client, take 2 steps back and then take an "unbiased" look at the grand total as you put yourself into that customer's shoes. Does this quote seem reasonable if I had "their" budget in "this" circumstance? -- Everyone here needs a reality check from time to time (myself included, and occasionally an azz beating, but that's a different topic) Or did I overshoot it? Did I save the client enough money so they're eating filet mignon while I sat over here eating Fideo? (you're in Cali, you dam well better know what Fideo is --but for those that don't -- the Mexican version of ramen. Fun fact: it's actually amazeballz). Either way -- When you're thinking "my price is reasonable, I would buy this right now at this price" most of the time, you're probably close to the pricing you need to be at.
 
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Sign-OS

New Member
What SQFT price are shops using to estimate signs & banners?
Printing with a HP 365 in So cal- 3 person shop
I'm trying to set up a price sheet for a new employee.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

•13oz banner
•coroplast 4mil white
•foam board 3/16 white
•3 & 6mil PVC white
•ACM with Laminate
•Vinyl stickers
•Vinyl decals
•posters

Thanks!!
I have some resources guides you and your new emplooyee can flick through
* How to price signs — a method your whole shop can repeat
* Job costing for sign shops — quoted margin isn't real margin
* Substrate waste: the margin you're throwing in the skip
* Quoting sign installation — where good jobs go to lose money
 
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