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US Tariffs, Sigh!

ikarasu

Active Member
"I don't hate america, I hate the people that are shitting all over the laws and Constitution of america, letting it happen, or just spouting nonsense and having hissy fits when they don't get their way." --- So when we impeach these judges that are making law instead of upholding the law THEN what will your song that you are singing be?

We need free and fair balanced trade here in the USA. Our manufacturing has been devastated, our citizens are paying more taxes than any other country by a landslide. We elected Trump to do exactly what he is doing. There are some things that I don't agree with but when he finds out that the citizens don't agree with it he really does listen. Unfortunately he is surrounded by a bunch of US Citizen hating un-elected bureaucrats in government that work to sabotage the America First initiative which is considering the needs of the citizens of the USA before the rest of the world (you know, the ones that are actually paying for it all).
It's called world trade. Your manufacturing is less, yes - But your country is richer than ever because you're globally trading instead of just trading with yourself. What do you want to trade globally? America cant just be a seller and not a purchaser. If you think all the manufacturing jobs being gone is bad now...wait until you see what AI is going to do to USA manufacturing, and other business's. Some stuff should be protected and done in America - Agriculture, others deemed necessary for Americas public interest like weapons, probably dozens of things... on those items, tariffs would be understandable - a blanket 15% tariff on the world is just stupidity.

The prime minister isnt the cabinet.... Theres 40ish people in the cabinet - So yes...the prime minister and 40 others can impose tariffs.... and even then its still under CERTAIN conditions. I'm not here to school you on the Canadian political system though, plus I'm sure you don't even care - My point was 1 man cant wake up at 5 AM, be pissed off a court ruling did not go his way... and then decide himself the world needs 15% tariffs.

Oh wait...you're right, it is pretty close to the American system - or at least the way the American system is supposed to work. Trump technically can't do that either... he just does it, then in a year gets shut down by the courts... then does it again under a different law, which also will get struck down by the courts... and just causes havoc he's legally not entitled to. I guess the differences are our president isn't a baboon and follows the laws the Country has, and doesn't think he can just bypass them because he's in a mood :rolleyes:
 
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KEYSER SOZE

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It isn't me living rent free in your head... is it?

Sounds like you are front England or maybe Australia. What do you care about what the USA is doing with it's own imports? Worry about your own imports -- Here you go buddy https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Treaties/TransPacificPartnership/Report_165/section?id=committees/reportjnt/024012/24260
You are so right there Copy/Paste Boy, I am front Australia and free trade's been great for us.
I couldn't give a rats' about the imports, I'm just here to laugh at you.

How about some picys of your sign work ?

Keep postin', we'll all keep laughin'
 
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TradeBalanceBoss

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You are so right there Copy/Paste Boy, I am front Australia and free trade's been great for us.
I couldn't give a rats' about the imports, I'm just here to laugh at you.

How about some picys of your sign work ?

Keep postin', we'll all keep laughin'
Still living rent free, even in the minds of leftys down under. But for real, good luck over there in Australia.
 

TradeBalanceBoss

New Member
It's called world trade. Your manufacturing is less, yes - But your country is richer than ever because you're globally trading instead of just trading with yourself. What do you want to trade globally? America cant just be a seller and not a purchaser. If you think all the manufacturing jobs being gone is bad now...wait until you see what AI is going to do to USA manufacturing, and other business's. Some stuff should be protected and done in America - Agriculture, others deemed necessary for Americas public interest like weapons, probably dozens of things... on those items, tariffs would be understandable - a blanket 15% tariff on the world is just stupidity.

The prime minister isnt the cabinet.... Theres 40ish people in the cabinet - So yes...the prime minister and 40 others can impose tariffs.... and even then its still under CERTAIN conditions. I'm not here to school you on the Canadian political system though, plus I'm sure you don't even care - My point was 1 man cant wake up at 5 AM, be pissed off a court ruling did not go his way... and then decide himself the world needs 15% tariffs.

Oh wait...you're right, it is pretty close to the American system - or at least the way the American system is supposed to work. Trump technically can't do that either... he just does it, then in a year gets shut down by the courts... then does it again under a different law, which also will get struck down by the courts... and just causes havoc he's legally not entitled to. I guess the differences are our president isn't a baboon and follows the laws the Country has, and doesn't think he can just bypass them because he's in a mood :rolleyes:
Do you even know what fair and balanced free trade means? ----> Hint - It doesn't mean trading with yourself.

Our country is the richest country in the world because we are the most free people in the world. The USA is the best place in the world to own a business, bar none. A lot of people don't even grasp what AI is actually for... But as people learn there will be many failures.

Canada can implement tariffs quickly, that is my point. Implementing tariffs quickly should be allowed by our President as well. For example, Canada imposed 25% retaliatory tariffs in the matter of two days in response to the USA tariffs. This is just reality I'm talking about. https://www.whitecase.com/insight-a...riffs-united-states-retaliation-trump-tariffs --- So now with the recent ruling by the USA Supreme Court, Canada is closer to China and Russia style because our President is more limited now.... That is the lefty way right? Just tie everyone's hands behind their back so they can be abused?
 

ikarasu

Active Member
Congress foresaw the president needing to do tariffs in emergencies and deleted their authority so he could in 2 seperate ways. America can impose tariffs way quicker than Canada.


1 is for emergencies - it was just ruled tariffing the world due to a trade imbalance isn't an emergency.


The other is the way he's doing it now - where he can impose tariffs... And Congress can renew them in 150 days, or they go away.

So how is it that America can't impose tariffs quickly? The guy tweets an executive order and they're in place - America just has protections to make sure they don't get abused .. like they are.


America has 3 branches for checks and balances... It's not perfect, but it's much better than Canada system. This is just one of the times when a president tries to abuse the system and the checks and balances get out into place .


But again .. arguing isn't worth it. You believe America should be the way you think it is, I believe else wise. We can keep fighting about It, we can let the courts decide and then call them right or wrong, neither of us will change our minds, so what's the point?


I'm not looking to start the debate up again. The courts will take care of the system - and I might add that under cusmca, Canada doesn't even get the 25% tariffs on 99% of our products... So it doesn't affect me, or my country in almost any way - we continue to ship stuff to America and import stuff from America quite a bit. The only way this has affected us, is because Trudeau curtailed to trump and put a 25% tariff on Chinese aluminum so now aluminum price is through the roof. But the customer pays that, so not a big deal.


I'm just here to collect my $100 :cool:
 

TradeBalanceBoss

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I would say the manufacturing capability of a whole entire country at risk would be an emergency for sure.

Yes, that is the way it SHOULD be. Tariffs being imposed quickly. The politician judges just ruled against that.

Fixing the trade imbalance isn't abusing the system. It is what the citizens voted him in there to do.

It isn't the courts that take care of the system. All they are supposed to do is uphold written law, not make new law or fill in gaps in the law.

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ikarasu

Active Member
I would say the manufacturing capability of a whole entire country at risk would be an emergency for sure.

Yes, that is the way it SHOULD be. Tariffs being imposed quickly. The politician judges just ruled against that.

Fixing the trade imbalance isn't abusing the system. It is what the citizens voted him in there to do.

It isn't the courts that take care of the system. All they are supposed to do is uphold written law, not make new law or fill in gaps in the law.

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Americas constitution and laws say this is how America is supposed to be run. If you don't like it maybe move to Russia or China or a country where 1 man can control the laws? ;)

The systems working as intended. Either change it, or accept it the way it is.

Not sure why that's so hard to understand - otherwise his policies will keep getting shot down in court... Because the law is the law, and no one, not even the president is above it.
 

Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
Americas constitution and laws say this is how America is supposed to be run. If you don't like it maybe move to Russia or China or a country where 1 man can control the laws? ;)

The systems working as intended. Either change it, or accept it the way it is.

Not sure why that's so hard to understand - otherwise his policies will keep getting shot down in court... Because the law is the law, and no one, not even the president is above it.
the president is legally above the law, so are foreign dignitaries... beyond that, prosecutors are the ones that decide who is above or below the law.
 

Gwenofeve

Graphic Design & Sales
We are a Canadian business and import into the US and buy from the US. This is both directly and indirectly through customers, distributors and suppliers.

How are Canadian and US businesses handling the new challenges?

I suppose we can add the additional Chinese tariffs into the thread as well.

I'm sure this will become slightly politically charged but this is not the goal of this thread. I'm hoping for a discussion that provides pragmatic and practical observations.


James
When things were difficult during the Vid we switched a few suppliers to Cdn and haven't gone back. Extensia being one instead of Vista. Also we looked to local laser companies to support instead of Gemini for flat cut acrylic and it's 1/3 the cost and perfect every time - though that wouldn't fall under the tariff. For flat cut metal we've used our CNC router or you could find a local guy and then support a local powder coater. Doesn't cover it all, but raise the prices where you need to, and push the sales in the direction that makes more sense. On the political side I'd just add that I'm praying for UNITY of the world for peace! :)
 
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TradeBalanceBoss

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Honestly, we are all people. I need to cut it out with the Lefty Righty thing. I think we all want the same thing don't we? Respect, connection, health, knowledge, prosperity, safety, order, justice, and liberty. Even though we don't agree on EVERYTHING those things we can agree on right? I just want to be clear that I DO want those things for EVERYONE. I see fair and balanced trade between nations as one of the ways to get that for everyone. Love your neighbor.
 
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