Sure... As soon as you guys stop tarifing soft lumber, aluminum, and a dozen other things that were tarrifed before trump went crazy with them. There's a difference between protectional tarrifs, and tarrifing every item, but since you can't seem to understand that... No point in continuing the conversation.
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US Tariffs, Sigh!
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TradeBalanceBoss
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Have you actually looked up all the tariffs Canada had against the US before Trump started adding Tariffs to Canada? We weren't tariffing anything on Canada before Trump. The US wasn't adding tariffs to any country for that matter. Trump is just evening the playing ground. If Canada really wants free trade then drop all your tariffs.
You guys have been tarrifing lumber since before I was born.
Canada–United States softwood lumber dispute - Wikipedia
Sane with aluminum - long before trump came along there were tarrifs on certain items, and long after he leaves there will be as well.
NAFTA /Cusmca only covers certain items - other items, certain industries America and Canada want to protect have long has tarrifs that come and go.
Let's get back into milk since that seems to be the one that's brought up so often. You guys have 90 million cows, we have 10 million - you could produce milk and destroy our agriculture industry. No country should have to rely on another for food, if we did then when the next trump comes in and says Canada should join America, and throws a 100% tarrif on everything, and our agriculture industry is gone... We'd be screwed.
Every country has imposed certain tarrifs in order to protect industries they rely on. Only one country has imposed blank tarrifs on every single country.... Not sure why you can't comprehend the difference. Maybe you really are an AI bot trying to stir up drama
Texas_Signmaker
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Soft wood? That what you guys up there call erectile dysfunction? I like it, sounds better.
JamesLam
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Too funny! Makes the Jay's loss a little easier to take.
I don't know if USA tarrifs hard woods, just building material (soft wood).
My understanding is Canada has so much, and so many mills that they sell it for extremely cheap compared to what America can produce it for - it caused a lot of USA saw mills to shut down, tons of jobs lost... And your housing prices dependant on Canadas materials -
So Almost every president has put tarrifs, and taken them off... Then put them back on, to try to bring it more under USA control, and to bring the jobs back to America - everytime it's put on it doesn't last though because it increases construction costs, housing prices, and ultimately gets removed either by the trade courts, or the next president because it ends up being unpopular.
But it's a perfect case of why some stuff should be tariffed - you guys shut down most of your lumber mills... If Canada said tomorrow the price is going up 200%, America would be in a world of hurt - it'd be disruptive, you guys would take a decade to recover and it'd throw your housing and other markets into chaos. Sure, America would easily survive... But it'd hurt a lot, and that's why critical goods shouldn't be reliant on other countries.
Like Canada and the dairy / agriculture that keeps getting parroted in the tarrif talks... We only tariff after a certain dollar value is exceeded, that way canadas market can't get flooded, killing our local businesses and making us reliant on USA.
TradeBalanceBoss
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I sort of take it as a compliment that you are calling me AI even though I know it is just a cope that you think I'm smarter than you are. But any time you are losing an argument you come up with some reason such as "you are a bot". Name calling is for children.You guys have been tarrifing lumber since before I was born.
Canada–United States softwood lumber dispute - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Sane with aluminum - long before trump came along there were tarrifs on certain items, and long after he leaves there will be as well.
NAFTA /Cusmca only covers certain items - other items, certain industries America and Canada want to protect have long has tarrifs that come and go.
Let's get back into milk since that seems to be the one that's brought up so often. You guys have 90 million cows, we have 10 million - you could produce milk and destroy our agriculture industry. No country should have to rely on another for food, if we did then when the next trump comes in and says Canada should join America, and throws a 100% tarrif on everything, and our agriculture industry is gone... We'd be screwed.
Every country has imposed certain tarrifs in order to protect industries they rely on. Only one country has imposed blank tarrifs on every single country.... Not sure why you can't comprehend the difference. Maybe you really are an AI bot trying to stir up drama
A smart person would realize a few posts on the internet would be impossible to tell if someone ois smarter or dumber.
I don't have a god complex, there's at least a dozen people smarter than me, you could be one of them for all I know.
I believe after your second or third post a few others mentioned you sound like a bot... And I agreed, because you sound like a bot. No one changed the topic.... You're the only one avoiding it when you said USA was never tarrifing Canada before trump... Then when I pointed out USA did, you.go into defensive mode, and try to attack instead of argue the point.
Suspiciously what a bit who's trying to cause drama would do
Either way, if you were banned from the forum you shouldn't be here anyways... Maybe the owner had more proof than what we saw, or maybe you did something else... Skirting a ban is just another ban, so why argue with you when you'll be gone in a day or two anyways.
JamesLam
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Regarding softwood lumber, it has been suggested that the colder Canadian climate produces a better softwood that US and Canadian builders and users prefer to work with.
It has also been suggested that even thought the US has plenty of softwood forests to pull from that much has been under government protection making it unavailable for harvest.
May be bunk, may be fact, who knows?
TradeBalanceBoss
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That is a tactic of the left, ban anyone that you disagree with (in full communism they just kill everyone they don't agree with). There was a lot of banning going on during the whole COVID thing too. But it doesn't matter to people who live in reality because all it does to the left is put them in their little echo chamber. The truth is still the truth. The truth never changes, it is what it is, always.A smart person would realize a few posts on the internet would be impossible to tell if someone ois smarter or dumber.
I don't have a god complex, there's at least a dozen people smarter than me, you could be one of them for all I know.
I believe after your second or third post a few others mentioned you sound like a bot... And I agreed, because you sound like a bot. No one changed the topic.... You're the only one avoiding it when you said USA was never tarrifing Canada before trump... Then when I pointed out USA did, you.go into defensive mode, and try to attack instead of argue the point.
Suspiciously what a bit who's trying to cause drama would do
Either way, if you were banned from the forum you shouldn't be here anyways... Maybe the owner had more proof than what we saw, or maybe you did something else... Skirting a ban is just another ban, so why argue with you when you'll be gone in a day or two anyways.
During the entire NAFTA/USMCA period (1994-2024) when the US had essentially zero tariffs (accept for a long standing decades long dispute on soft wood) on Canadian goods, Canada maintained very high tariffs on certain US goods.
From 1994-2024:
- US tariffs on Canadian goods: Essentially 0% (except softwood lumber duties)
- Canadian tariffs on US goods: 200-300% on dairy/poultry/eggs, plus other significant tariffs on various products
TradeBalanceBoss
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I tried to change my name to "TarrifBoy123" but I have to wait until November 16th because this account is new. Let's see if I make it that long, LOL
Haha, it was meant to be egotistic / sarcastic
I don't really believe only 12 are smarter than me.There's also lots of different kinds of smarts, so who's to say someone is smarter than someone else? Book smarts... Street smarts, etc
XtremeXccessories
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I'm still not convinced you're not a bot. Have you seen that new Will Smith eating spaghetti AI video? If it can do that it can sure come up with your charts & arguments.
Johnny Best
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XtremeXccessories
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Can you label everyone? Can't tell who's who.
Geneva Olson
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so weren't you arguing against tariffs earlier in the year? and that tariffs would be a terrible thing for the economy? Now suddenly you realize we've had tariffs for longer than you've been alive..You guys have been tarrifing lumber since before I was born.
Canada–United States softwood lumber dispute - Wikipedia
Sane with aluminum - long before trump came along there were tarrifs on certain items, and long after he leaves there will be as well.
NAFTA /Cusmca only covers certain items - other items, certain industries America and Canada want to protect have long has tarrifs that come and go.
Let's get back into milk since that seems to be the one that's brought up so often. You guys have 90 million cows, we have 10 million - you could produce milk and destroy our agriculture industry. No country should have to rely on another for food, if we did then when the next trump comes in and says Canada should join America, and throws a 100% tarrif on everything, and our agriculture industry is gone... We'd be screwed.
Every country has imposed certain tarrifs in order to protect industries they rely on. Only one country has imposed blank tarrifs on every single country.... Not sure why you can't comprehend the difference. Maybe you really are an AI bot trying to stir up drama
we dont have 90 million cows. we actually have 94.2 million. But that being said, only 9 million are milking cows.
We also only have 28.7 million beef cows...or has william b travis called them, beeves. for food.
we've had to subsidize our cattle industry from other countries because we don't have enough cattle to feed us. Thats why trump has made arrangements with argentina for cattle.
until our cattle supply gets back up.
TradeBalanceBoss
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It is well known that NAFTA was a disaster for the USA and also we have seen the devastating results to our American manufacturing companies. I'm not presenting some fabricated AI story. You can look all this up yourself. Again the only argument that leftists have is to claim that I'm AI or a bot.
TradeBalanceBoss
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Beeves? I learn something new every day and this was it! "In front of the Alamo is a letter from William Travis, where he mentions at the end that they have 20 or 30 head of beeves."
I heard from a friend of mine that is in the grocer business that one of the big issues is the beef packing companies. The actual cattle farmers don't get paid enough and it is the packers that decide the price in the market. Farmers have a very hard time selling from farm to table.
TradeBalanceBoss
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Paul fixed my account issue and credited me back. And he changed my name to Tariffboy! NICE!