VersaWorks colors into Onyx

[TateM]

Somewhat new to printing and RIP software, so please bare with me.

Roland Printer- VersaWorks
I exported a file from Corel into VersaWorks. VersaWorks changed the color in their software, making it different than the Corel export. I liked the color better so always printed with it.
Corel screen view= darker.
VersaWorks screen view= lighter.

VersaWorks Color Settings- BNEcoMH_GenPVC1_v1440x1080.icc

Now I have a new setup-
Epson - Onyx
Onyx import keeps original Corel colors, is printing a bit darker than VersaWorks, and I don't really care for the coloring.
Corel & Onyx show the same colors on the screen.

My question: I like the color output that VersaWorks created. Is there a way to get that profile or coloring set up in Onyx? Or even Corel?

Trying to eliminate having to redo a bunch of designs in Corel and just be able to apply a profile on export or via printing.

 

[Solventinkjet]

Color is one of those topics that seems pretty simple at first but as you get into it, it becomes much more complex. Without getting to far into the weeds, I think what you need know is that color profiles are machine and material specific. The perfect setup would be a custom profile that you make on your printer, with your ink, and your material. The custom profile would be like a color map for your specific printer and material. When you have a custom map like that, it's much much easier to print the colors you see on the screen. It's more complicated than that but that's the gist.

In your situation, which a majority of shops are in, you're using what's called a "boxed" profile. It's a profile that was made on someone else's printer. It's important to note, if you had two printers with the exact model, ink, and material in the same room together, if they are not each custom profiled, they will print different colors from the same design file. So you can see that, when you use a boxed profile, you're using another printer's map so it's not going to be super accurate. Blues will be blue but matching to a specific one will take a lot of trial and error work.

A common way people work around not having a custom profile is to print a color chart and use that as a reference. That way you can choose a color in your design software and know how it's going to print. That doesn't help with bitmap images much though. If you think it's printing too dark or light, try using different boxed profiles for different materials. Glossy vinyl profiles tend to lay down less ink whereas matte vinyl profiles tend to lay down more. It takes some trial and error but most people eventually find a profile that works for them and then stick with it. Onyx should have a download center somewhere where they have a bunch of boxed profiles you can try.

Hopefully that gets you pointed in the right direction. Color is something most people struggle with so you are not alone!

 

[LizKeenan]

One of the reasons I have fought off the Colorado was Roland’s internal color system. Theres so many things that frustrate me about Roland, but they have the most excellent color settings and profiles to optimize them. We always had issues with onyx hard to hit colors like 185c The true answer as someone else said is a custom profile, which is worth it for some shops, but way way more often people are making shop color systems. I took to making decks, I have attached a pantone bridge, versaworks color library, and extended ink library. Maybe try these on versa and on onyx and see what you get/ can use instead, or see what holds up still and what does not. You can also try doing them on different media profiles until it matches close to what you had on versa. Let me know if you decide to make the decks. I would also suggest playing around with rendering intent like changing Relative to Perceptual, if your Roland was set to colormetric perceptual rendering intent should get you close.