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4 x 4 real estate sign production

Real estate guy

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I have a commercial RE company. We use 4’ x 4’ Cloraplast signs. I would like to print out own and just hire someone to install. Can someone help me with exactly what type of equipment I would need to do this. We currently go use sign company’s to do this and put out about 160-200 double sided signs a year.

Any help would be appreciated.
 

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victor bogdanov

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6k sq ft /year of printing. You could buy a used printer for under $10k , print on vinyl, mount by hand. in 2-3 years you would come out ahead vs buying the prints from a wholesaler.

I would suggest ordering prints at wholesale
 
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Johnny Best

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By the time you buy a printer & laminator, substrates, vinyls and laminate, people trained to make artwork and run printer, you would be better off and cheaper having the sign company making them.
 
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Boudica

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6k sq ft /year of printing. You could buy a used printer for under $10k , print on vinyl, mount by hand. in 2-3 years you would come out ahead vs buying the prints from a wholesaler.

I would suggest ordering prints at wholesale
Wholesale to the TRADE. This guy isn't in this trade, he's a real estate agent who wants to come here and ask how to undercut an actual sign business.
 
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monroesigns

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Dan Brown, I believe there is a special place in He77 for people like you who expect professionals on an industry chat site to cut the throat of a fellow professional (whomever you currently use for signs).
 
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visual800

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absolutely! just buy the equipment needed and assume the issues that come with owning equipment and go ahead learn a new sign program assuming you can do sign layout and have at it!
your best bet is to wholesale out to a vendor no headaches.
 
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Real estate guy

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Dan Brown, I believe there is a special place in He77 for people like you who expect professionals on an industry chat site to cut the throat of a fellow professional (whomever you currently use for signs).
Sorry you feel this way.

We spend $60,000 to $80,000 a year on signs. I am doing a feasibility study as I already have maintenance people in place and the room. I may or may not decide to do it but I will investigate it as I do with everything I do.
 

Real estate guy

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absolutely! just buy the equipment needed and assume the issues that come with owning equipment and go ahead learn a new sign program assuming you can do sign layout and have at it!
your best bet is to wholesale out to a vendor no headaches.
Thanks for the feedback back. Again just trying to understand my options as we pay currently $60-$80k a year on signs. I have maintenance people in place and plenty of room to house the operation. We also are a commercial real estate company that does 300 transactions a year so I want to explore starting a sign company or maybe buying one as it is a natural lead in for our business. Crazy some of the rude responses of people who don’t ask enough questions and assume things very sad.
 

Real estate guy

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6k sq ft /year of printing. You could buy a used printer for under $10k , print on vinyl, mount by hand. in 2-3 years you would come out ahead vs buying the prints from a wholesaler.

I would suggest ordering prints at wholesale
6k sq ft /year of printing. You could buy a used printer for under $10k , print on vinyl, mount by hand. in 2-3 years you would come out ahead vs buying the prints from a wholesaler.

I would suggest ordering prints at wholesale
Thank you just trying to understand.
 

River Wilde

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I am tired of paying commissions on real estate purchases. Could you give me some methods to circumvent that expense after showing me 400 listings?
 
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Gino

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I don't think anyone here could give two sh!ts about what you spend on signs, how many ya need or how many transactions a year you do.

Anyone coming in the back door does not belong in this place. Backpedal all ya want, you'll just probably go down in flames around here.

I will say with your lousy grammar and spelling......... you oughta stick to real estate where talent isn't needed, just slime
 
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Humble PM

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Gino, you're so harsh on these new to the boards folks.
As we all know, the most reliable, high quality flatbed printers are SwissQ, and they can be coupled to a standard Zund cutter.
Chuck in a couple of robots to load, unload, and Mr Brown is golden.
 
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ddarlak

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So at your high estimate of $80,000 you average $266 sign cost per transaction and you think you can do better yourself.

See how fucking stupid that sounds?

Again, Go Fuck Yourself.
 
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Boudica

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No comment to that? How could we save on having to pay a realtor? Care to share the backdoor in real estate transactions?
 
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tulsagraphics

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We spend $60,000 to $80,000 a year on signs. I am doing a feasibility study as I already have maintenance people in place and the room. I may or may not decide to do it but I will investigate it as I do with everything I do.
Your post asks specifically about 4x4 coro signs, but your numbers don't add up if you're saying that you spend $70,000 on 180 signs per year. Don't conflate your numbers. You might be spending that much per year, but that includes a lot of other signage you failed to mention.

If you're trying to say you spend that much only on coro, then it comes out to ~$388 per panel. Absolutely no signs shops are charging that much for double-sided 4x4 coro. Check the line items on your invoices.

Want to save money? Talk to your local sign shop or get a few bids. Negotiate with them. 160-180 signs/year isn't a ton of work for most shops, but if you're ordering consistently they'll work with you on price.

If you're trying to do it yourself -- that's barely enough volume to keep your $2k print head from drying up. It will only take you a month to figure out that you bit off more than you can chew, and that buying a sub-par $10-15k printer is just a drop in the bucket compared to all the expenses you will encounter. (guaranteed you'd be trying to resell that printer by the 2nd or 3rd month) And we haven't even talked about labor costs or skillsets. Your so-called "maintenance crew" is going to what... fix plumbing in the morning then switch to graphics design / print production after lunch? Good luck with that. And labor isn't free, regardless of whether or not someone is on salary. Software licenses, controlled environment for materials, employee training, tech support etc.... you have no idea what it takes for a sign/print shop to operate, even at the bare minimum.

Negotiating with your local sign shop is your most cost-effective option. We do what we're good at, meanwhile, you should focus on what makes you the most money -- real estate.

And on a side note... the reason why folks here are pissed about your inquiry isn't because you're trying to save money -- heck, we all want to save money. It's because everyone here has spent many, many years in an industry we're passionate about -- where we invested many tens to hundreds of thousands on equipment and software that helps us produce quality work at a competitive price. Many years of learning, training, improving techniques etc... it doesn't happen overnight. Asking us to give suggestions on how you can save a few bucks isn't just unreasonable -- it undermines our industry and insults our profession. I won't insult you or cuss you out, but I agree with everyone else's responses.
 
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