concerned about solid black banners needing to gas out before mounting in banner stand Epson s80600L

[eagleact]

I am considering buying the Epson S80600L. I can't get my HP latex to stop making wrinkles in double sided banner from the heat. I have had two people mention to me the solid black / navy would need to gas out before we mount into retractable banner stands. Do you think that is really true? Would a digi-dryer from BBC solve this issue? I had one in the past when we ran Roland printers but I was never convinced it was doing anything.

Thanks for any information.

 

[P Wagner]

I am considering buying the Epson S80600L. I can't get my HP latex to stop making wrinkles in double sided banner from the heat. I have had two people mention to me the solid black / navy would need to gas out before we mount into retractable banner stands. Do you think that is really true? Would a digi-dryer from BBC solve this issue? I had one in the past when we ran Roland printers but I was never convinced it was doing anything.

Thanks for any information.

Eco-solvent inks always require a period of hours to complete the evaporative process that is inherent with all solvent inks. Depending on the ink load, this can take several hours or more.

Lay-flat double-sided blockout banners are certainly available for Latex printers. Check the Media Locator and search 2-sided blockout banners:

PrintOS – Media Locator

www.printos.com

 

[eagleact]

We did not sell banner stands when we ran Roland. We have tried countless double sided - super smooth banners over the years and never found anything that does not wrinkle on latex. ((Have not tired bantex due to extreme cost))

Actually considering Mimaki roll to roll UV printer…just what I needed another choice.

Thanks

 

[ikarasu]

I am considering buying the Epson S80600L. I can't get my HP latex to stop making wrinkles in double sided banner from the heat. I have had two people mention to me the solid black / navy would need to gas out before we mount into retractable banner stands. Do you think that is really true? Would a digi-dryer from BBC solve this issue? I had one in the past when we ran Roland printers but I was never convinced it was doing anything.

Thanks for any information.

Are you printing on one side, or both?

Turn your heat way down and add an interpass delay. Or print on higher passes.

We use anything from ultraflex to dealership branded double-sided and it prints fine. Ultraflex can handle the heat whereas the cheaper thinner stuff you just have to slow it down and use less heat... Sucks when printing a ton of banners, but still a lot better than buying a second printer just for banners... When I had my Epson and I used a lot of ink, I had to wait at least a day otherwise when trimming the banners you would get handprints and you could easily scrape the ink off

 

[greysquirrel]

Why do you need banner to outta before putting in a retractable display? I use 10mil anti curl film in lieu of banner material.
The s80 should be dry and ready to handle 3min after print finished. If blacks are wet you are laying down way too much ink
100/20/20/20 is all you need

 

[White Haus]

Actually considering Mimaki roll to roll UV printer…just what I needed another choice.

Not that I'm trying to convince you to get a Mimaki UV printer, but we print our retractable banner inserts on our UCJV on PET GB 13oz banner. Works great. Ultraflex and most banner "brands" have a version of it.

 

[eagleact]

Are you printing on one side, or both?

Turn your heat way down and add an interpass delay. Or print on higher passes.

We use anything from ultraflex to dealership branded double-sided and it prints fine. Ultraflex can handle the heat whereas the cheaper thinner stuff you just have to slow it down and use less heat... Sucks when printing a ton of banners, but still a lot better than buying a second printer just for banners... When I had my Epson and I used a lot of ink, I had to wait at least a day otherwise when trimming the banners you would get handprints and you could easily scrape the ink off

Just printing one side for banner stands. Tried Ultraflex (been a few years). At the time they were having quality issues depending on the country of origin of the dss. Will try again.

We already print at 10 or 12 pass with a delay…

Thanks

 

[ikarasu]

Have you ever made your own media profile? You could probably just edit one of the can profiles and turn the heat down....

I've done hundreds of banner stands on our latex, all generations... 360, 560, and our 700. We used to get a ripple effect on our 360 until we turn the heat down, the 560 and 700 the can profiles worked perfectly.

The new generations of latex use less heat, so if you're on an old one it might be worth upgrading... But, thousands of people use even the oldest generations to print on Banner.... So it's just a matter of tweaking your settings

 

[Ron at Forest Litho]

Are you printing on one side, or both?

Turn your heat way down and add an interpass delay. Or print on higher passes.

We use anything from ultraflex to dealership branded double-sided and it prints fine. Ultraflex can handle the heat whereas the cheaper thinner stuff you just have to slow it down and use less heat... Sucks when printing a ton of banners, but still a lot better than buying a second printer just for banners... When I had my Epson and I used a lot of ink, I had to wait at least a day otherwise when trimming the banners you would get handprints and you could easily scrape the ink off

Scraping the ink off: After it dries, I like to give a quick spray with SEM13003 Vinyl clearcoat. Once it is on it is much harder to scratch off the ink and it is UV resistant.

 

[petepaz]

isn't out-gasing just when you have to laminate? if it's not laminated then it will just outgas.
i guess if you want to be safe let it sit for a few hours before you put it in the stand but i print, trim and mount banners in banner stands a lot with no issues
(roland eco-solv inks, mimaki solv inks and roland uv inks)
as far as the HP latex printers we have two and they are a pain in the ass. just throw them in the dumpster...haha

 

[Notarealsignguy]

Wait a day before you roll it up, plenty of people print these on eco-solvent machines. Those HPs are like an American car from the 80's. They work but every time you turn around there's something to replace or settings to tinker with to get the thing to work.

 

[eagleact]

Have you ever made your own media profile? You could probably just edit one of the can profiles and turn the heat down....

I've done hundreds of banner stands on our latex, all generations... 360, 560, and our 700. We used to get a ripple effect on our 360 until we turn the heat down, the 560 and 700 the can profiles worked perfectly.

The new generations of latex use less heat, so if you're on an old one it might be worth upgrading... But, thousands of people use even the oldest generations to print on Banner.... So it's just a matter of tweaking your settings

It prints economy banner just fine....it is double sided smooth banner that is the problem. Like this https://www.lexjet.com/hp-15-oz-prime-double-sided-blockout-banner-38in-x-164ft that is the problem...or ultraflexx DSS. I slowed the printer all the way down to 16 pass with a 300 interdelay...seems to be better...but man...that is crawling...but better than buying a printer...still testing.....thanks.

 

[Bengt Backhaus]

I use PGM Rolltex 370 with the profile "HP high qualty satin canvas" on my HP 310.
sometimes i get a little wrinkling, but it goes away in a day.

 

[netsol]

It does sound like you are laying down too much ink.

 

[eagleact]

I use PGM Rolltex 370 with the profile "HP high qualty satin canvas" on my HP 310.
sometimes i get a little wrinkling, but it goes away in a day.

This appears to be more of a “film” than banner…and does not appear to be readily available in the USA. Thanks though

 

[eagleact]

It does sound like you are laying down too much ink.

Perhaps…I have some test slowing down and lowering temperatures…I if remember right I went with 100% ink load in my profile…at lower ink loads the colors did not pop. Thanks

 

[netsol]

i may be the only one, but we do very few banners... so my idea is not banner specific,\

i can tell you i bought an infrared heater with a horizontal element that is mounted on a tripod stand. not unlike what KFC keeps the chicken warm with

i noticed EVERYTHING except my reds would come out dry. cut down the ink and the reds didn't POP as you say

having the heater in front of the roland sidestepped the issue

 

[eagleact]

Interesting…readily available it appears instead of using industry specific…thanks

 

[a77]

My experience with epson (s40) is that inks are very soft the first day or two. Given enough time to dry (on banner, rollup material, or poster paper) it dries well and is safer to handle. When 'fresh', we treat it very gingerly.

 

[eagleact]

that does not sound good...I am actually thinking more about a UV roll to roll printer. I also made a new profile for the banner...incredibly slow but the wrinkles seem to be mostly gone....testing for the next couple of days/weeks to see what happens. Thanks.