The Hunt Brothers is 4'x8' ACP. The Main Sign is 10'x 7' tall a 4x10 and a 3x10. We quoted removal and Flip/wrap, then reinstall. The deal was to pull them down at closing time, wrapping then reinstall before opening the following morning. We quoted it, had to talk to brother then got the ok. Now trying to beat us down on price. It's close and I feel it's already way too cheap. Just curious how far apart everyone is, and the highs and the lows.
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Curious what you would Charge
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The backside still has the factory plastic, The main sign is layered. If it was complete coverage, we would have. Also, because they flocked at the price of reusing the panels let alone pricing. What would your price be at both options?
John_Smith
Enjoying retirement in Central Florida
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
I never reuse ACM panels. First the drill holes may not line up after you flip it, second the backer might be a pita to remove, if it's been outside for years that shit may flake off. Third, you have to make an additional trip and do this on a rush so they don't have signs for days... It's more work than just spending the $400 on new ACM. I'd be at $3k installed for both. Rule is get payment upfront on gas stations. They are as bad as hotel and hair stylist customers. But if you're in such bad shape and desperate for the work then do what you have to do, but over time you learn not to let Mohammad walk all over you.
Like Texas said, leaving the protective film on the back of a sign "so it can be reused" is not a real thing. The film isn't meant for long term outdoor use. After years outside, it will have lifted at the edges and the back of the sign gets dirty there. Other portions will have been baked on in the sun and will be near impossible to remove. The surface will not have a uniform white finish any more.
A new panel of ACM is so inexpensive compared to the installation labor time it doesn't make sense to make two trips out to take down and put up, especially if it's outside of business hours and will involve paying overtime to your installers.
The owners may come from a haggling culture, and you can just be firm. Don't succumb to the promise of more work at their other locations. I recently did that with a channel letter job at one of the now ubiquitous smoke shops that was creatively named....Smoke Shop. Still got the job at my price, and even rebuffed the request for a discount because they were paying with cash (though I did wonder about the guy whipping out a wad of bills to pay the $6200.....)
A new panel of ACM is so inexpensive compared to the installation labor time it doesn't make sense to make two trips out to take down and put up, especially if it's outside of business hours and will involve paying overtime to your installers.
The owners may come from a haggling culture, and you can just be firm. Don't succumb to the promise of more work at their other locations. I recently did that with a channel letter job at one of the now ubiquitous smoke shops that was creatively named....Smoke Shop. Still got the job at my price, and even rebuffed the request for a discount because they were paying with cash (though I did wonder about the guy whipping out a wad of bills to pay the $6200.....)
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
When I used to live in the middle of nowhere, hunt brothers was good gas station pizza.
Still is. lol
I have only reused ACM one other time. 90% of the time we don't even install the panels unless there's enough to justify getting a lift for. It's only a few doors down from my shop, so I offered to pull it down after they closed and install it the following day. It's clos and fairly convenient. He tried to offer me $450 less, he came up couple hundred. I told him I'm not doing it for any less, it was already cheap enough, call and quote it anywhere else.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
If he's middle eastern or Indian, he's been programmed to be a negotiator. It's in their culture not ours and he's been practicing all his life. Stand firm but they will walk away if someone is even a little cheaper. Personally I don't mess with them anymore because I don't price bottom of the barrel and that's all their after.
d fleming
New Member
Price is price. Don't back down or you'll be playing the barter game for the rest of time. If they don't like the price of new panels and a quick flip as Gino suggested then they certainly wouldn't like my price for all the extra work on site to flip and dip. I do not reuse old panels period, well unless I need some shelving, lol.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
You're right... and FULL upfront. I've had them negotiate the remainder when we already had a deal. Fuck that shit
kcollinsdesign
Old member
Haggling is a time-honored tradition in many cultures and is associated with both personal esteem and respect. Depending on the situation, I will sometimes offer a price around 20% higher than my final price (the price I need to be profitable). This gives the buyer the opportunity to negotiate and keep their self-respect. I often offer something in exchange for the discount, like extending the production time so I can "work it into my schedule more efficiently".
Shrewd business owners know the value of their time. If your final price is fair, they will buy your services. If they have to find another sign company they will inevitable end up spending more when you consider the time it would take.
Shrewd business owners know the value of their time. If your final price is fair, they will buy your services. If they have to find another sign company they will inevitable end up spending more when you consider the time it would take.