• I want to thank all the members that have upgraded your accounts. I truly appreciate your support of the site monetarily. Supporting the site keeps this site up and running as a lot of work daily goes on behind the scenes. Click to Support Signs101 ...

Embroidery software is better for vector work, Why?

Graphics2u

New Member
In another thread about a font the point was brought up that embroidery software is much better at vectorizing than anything else. Why do you say that? What is different or makes better, faster, more accurate than other vector programs? I know it's expensive, but when I deal with embroidery files I'm alway told you can't make a vector file out of it. So what's the deal?
 
Last edited:

rjssigns

Active Member
I only send the crappy artwork to get vectored, not what you are describing. All I know is that is relieved me of the sh***y task of converting someone's art to vector. Yeah I still go in and re-colorize if necessary, but it saves time and money.
 
J

john1

Guest
I never understood why we have the industry's best software apparently to design graphics but yet you still can't send any format to a embroidery company and have it good enough for production. Always has to be re-created.

Pain in the neck.
 

Graphics2u

New Member
I only send the crappy artwork to get vectored, not what you are describing. All I know is that is relieved me of the sh***y task of converting someone's art to vector. Yeah I still go in and re-colorize if necessary, but it saves time and money.
So you're just sending it to a embroidery shop and they vectorize it and send it back? Correct? The embroidery software may not be the key to it then. They may just have some one like Vector Doctor working for them. I thought that maybe it was something special about the software.
 

WildWestDesigns

Active Member
So you're just sending it to a embroidery shop and they vectorize it and send it back? Correct? The embroidery software may not be the key to it then. They may just have some one like Vector Doctor working for them. I thought that maybe it was something special about the software.


No, what makes embroidery software better is that we have more digitizing tools.

We aren't auto tracing anything.

Embroidery objects are now done like vector objects. The only difference that instead of knowing strokes, fills etc embroidery objects know stitch angles, type of stitches, stitch count, underlay, density etc.

In the picture called Drawing Tools, all the fly outs represent drawing tools that I have available in my embroidery program for digitizing, the first one is like the reshape tool in Corel, all of which can be converted to vector objects. Vector Conversion picture shows the option option of where to convert it the embroidery object to a vector object. Vector Object picture shows it as a vector object. That's all one program by the way. It just has two parts, one is the design interface which at this point in time is the full version of Corel x5 built right into the program and the embroidery interface, which is what is show in the first two pictures.

Contrary to popular opinion, you can pull vectors from embroidery objects, it all depends on the price point of your software. Now if you use a DST file, that's where it's more like auto digitizing as a DST file (or other embroidery file) is more like a JPG compared to the native EMB files that I deal with. DST files, which is the most universal file format out there that most machines accept, does not retain color memory. So unless there is a stitch chart or a picture of the original logo with the correct colors, that will have to be handled later.

Now if you think about it, it would make sense that embroidery programs would have better drawing tools. 90% of the files that I get are JPG, I just got 8 files today from various S101 members for digitizing that were JPG, one was even a photo of a previously done embroidery pattern. Tracing is what these programs were designed to do long before they started to treat the objects as vector objects. This is not auto-tracing. I hand trace it, very much like Vector Doctor, to create embroidery files from JPG and even vectors. All the tools in that first picture are manual digitizing tools, the last flyout is true manual in every sense of the word as one click means one needle penetration.

I can use one program to trace a picture to an embroidery file and then convert that file to a vector object to export either as an Ai, CDR, EPS or whatever your poison is. Now it all depends on how sophisticated your software is, but I can do it all through the one program in the pictures that you see.

So the long and short of it, there is something special about embroidery software. However, you have to pay in order to have the capabilities of all this, but make no mistake, embroidery software can do all of this.
 

Attachments

  • Drawing Tools.jpg
    Drawing Tools.jpg
    36.4 KB · Views: 74
  • Vector Conversion.jpg
    Vector Conversion.jpg
    45.3 KB · Views: 72
  • Vector Object.jpg
    Vector Object.jpg
    28.6 KB · Views: 78
Last edited:

WildWestDesigns

Active Member
I never understood why we have the industry's best software apparently to design graphics but yet you still can't send any format to a embroidery company and have it good enough for production. Always has to be re-created.

Pain in the neck.


That's because you are dealing with a method of production that has physical limitations tied to it. Thread and the needles have physical minimums that have to be observed unlike ink which can do just about anything that you want it to do no matter the size.

I'm willing to bet that CNC Router work (embroidery machines are CNC machines basically) also has physical limitations as to what can be produced due to the the size of bit, characteristics of the wood (much like fabric for embroidery).

That is why it is so hard for people that try to get into embroidery and can't take their designs from concept to stitches. There are factors of production that have to be observed. Push/pull compensation, angles, type of stitches, even stitch order all play a part due to the physical nature of thread, needle and fabric. Very little, if any at all, plays a part in a print application. How many of y'all worry about push/pull when doing heat transfers, cut vinyl transfers or DTG printing? That's a big thing in embroidery.


EDIT: I got to re-reading it. Are you asking why it can't be just auto-digitized versus having to manual trace it all? If that is the question, then imagine power trace and/or live trace without the options. That's essential what auto-digitizing gives you. I covered this a little bit in the Premium Tips and Tricks section about how to recognize good embroidery. That's the biggest thing is that auto-digitizing does not give you the best embroidery result, it doesn't have the most efficient production stitch out, nor does it give good quality given the size of design that you are working with.

This is what I do for a living y'all. I have been doing write ups about this in the premium sections, but if anyone here wants a Q&A about it, email me, post them up here. Digitizing is not easy and for sure don't think that a couple of grand is going to get you great software either for it. It'll be a place to start, but that's all that it is. A place to start.
 
Top