Hhhhhhmmmmmmm.....

[WildWestDesigns]

Interesting:

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If this is true, that does expose a certain chink in "AI" bubble. If these products were as good as everyone was hocking, they shouldn't have to using the stick to get their own devs to working on it and "have" to use it. Now, the article did mention one good reason for doing so, the more one uses it, the better can refine it for other users. I have been working on an in house stop motion/traditional 2D animation program and of course, using it has made it better, how to implement and what to implement. But these are the devs that are supposedly being told that they have to use it and this is a company that has a lot of money tied into this tech stack.

Most on here that can stay awake through my tirades know that I'm no fan of this, not for programming and not for art. It has been shown to have affects on just regular users, but apparently it is affecting the devs that are connected to the tech themselves and they apparently have to twirl around that "stick".

 

[Humble PM]

Lord save us from halucinating bucket trucks.
Oh, hang on, BMW's changable wrap tech, on the face of every building (City Permits permitting...)

 

[park3r]

there are too many people who are forcing us to use AI, they telling us that ai will do everything better and easier. But for now, i know that i better consult with normal app development company, or with professional IT engineer.
I know too many people who were trying to build up their cheap startup using AI, and all of these people (most of them) gave up after first problem when bot couldnt fix it.
Of course you can use Chat gpt if it will simplify your work, or help you somehow, but NOW it cant replace people, and makes too many mistakes in complicated things.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

there are too many people who are forcing us to use AI, they telling us that ai will do everything better and easier.

Unfortunately, it seems like in the tech industry they live for going from one bubble to the next and this isn't any different. I'm not looking forward to seeing the human knowledge base after this starts getting into it's 3rd/4th generation of users, or especially those that can through schooling with using this type of tech. It's been shown to be a problem long before what people are hocking as "AI" came about. People tend to be lazy and "learn" the abstraction and not what is under the hood.

But for now, i know that i better consult with normal app development company, or with professional IT engineer.

Like with some many industries. How many on here had a customer that didn't know exactly what they wanted or though of the edge cases come to them or how to handle fixes after that initial prompt output? Well guess what, that's the latest generation of "prompt engineers".

Of course you can use Chat gpt if it will simplify your work, or help you somehow, but NOW it cant replace people, and makes too many mistakes in complicated things.

I would argue that it isn't simplifying the work. I have yet to see something that it spits out as 100% good to go (or atleast at my standard). Ultimately it creates more work. How many on here love fixing other people's files that they get from clients to make it work? That's what it essentially is. Sometimes it's just quicker to start over, especially the more complex the file (or program) is.

 

[Solventinkjet]

I hate to admit I've used ChatGPT a lot in the last few months. It's one of those tools that is going to change the way things are done whether you like it or not. I'm at an age where I still need to keep up with the times to stay relevant so I try to adapt as much as possible. It makes mistakes but I catch them and tell it, hey you made a mistake, and it usually says, oh yeah you're right here's better answer. For short text it's not efficient but for long text it's great. I give it a short prompt and it gives me the whole thing I need and even if I need to make a few tweaks to make it fit my goal, it has already saved me tons of time. The prompt quality is key. I don't like the fact that it's going to take people's jobs or dumb down kids, they shouldn't be allowed to use it for school, but it's not going away so if you can't beat them join them is my take. The internet killed tons of jobs but we managed. And no, I didn't use it for this comment

 

[WildWestDesigns]

It's one of those tools that is going to change the way things are done whether you like it or not.

That is true, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be for the better. Corporations (especially those that have huge investments in it) will use it and for them since they have a general lack of creativity, are going to fill in that void as it's "six in one, half a dozen in the other" as far as using "AI" or using people.

I'm at an age where I still need to keep up with the times to stay relevant so I try to adapt as much as possible. It makes mistakes but I catch them and tell it, hey you made a mistake, and it usually says, oh yeah you're right here's better answer. For short text it's not efficient but for long text it's great. I give it a short prompt and it gives me the whole thing I need and even if I need to make a few tweaks to make it fit my goal, it has already saved me tons of time.

That's if it's just a "few tweaks" (whatever qualifies as a "few") and one knows that it needs to be done. That's where people tend to fall short, even those that do actually possess the knowledge to be able to correct what they get, don't. Already have had news articles out on the very thing, from programmers, artists to lawyers. Also the supposed "efficiency" gains may be overstated as well. "AI pause" is a real thing that even people that know what they are doing experience.

The prompt quality is key. I don't like the fact that it's going to take people's jobs or dumb down kids, they shouldn't be allowed to use it for school, but it's not going away so if you can't beat them join them is my take. The internet killed tons of jobs but we managed. And no, I didn't use it for this comment

It's not just the kids, but one thing that a lot of people say that they use "AI" to do is to help them with things that they aren't that well experienced in. Well, the problem there is, if one isn't all that well experienced, how well experienced is one going to be to spot the issues when "AI" drops the ball with it's answers? And this really isn't learning for us either. We actually learn by struggling to do something. Finally accomplishing something that releases those endorphins that gives us the feel goods, that goes further compared to typing in a prompt and getting an answer (of dubious quality) back.

Losing jobs is one thing, we can hopefully re-tool and be ready for another job. However, more and more people that get complacent and don't have the critical thinking skills, that is something that I'm more concerned with. While the internet killed jobs, it didn't quit necessarily affect knowledge base like this is going to do.

I do also have to wonder if we will see the spike in people affected with Alzheimer's as well with those that offload their thinking to ChatGPT instead of giving their brain a mental workout. There are other reasons to still do things the old fashioned way as well.

I agree, this will be used, but not all changes in tech are good and I really do have a concern that the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

 

[Humble PM]

Once chat gpt et al can wrap vinyl around the back of the substrate, I'll give it a thumbs, and fingers up, because that is one activity I really do not want to repeat.

The office is using it a lot to create marketing material - I'll get a wall of text through, and have to cull 90%, and avoid losing excessive time going way off tangent while doing so.

I'm now experimenting with handwriting my responses on envelopes torn down the middle, so only the back of them, written in my drunken Dr spider script.