Is my pricing too high for printed vinyl?

Adam Vreeke

Knows just enough to get in a lot of trouble..
a lot of what you are saying is based on technology and how that techology has changed an industry.
I was at the dr a few years back and he was dictating notes into software while we were meeting. I asked him if he no longer has medical transcriptionists. He said, "no, I've got this cool software now called dragonspeak and I can just dictate and it goes into your file immediately." I responded with, "that software just put a lot of people out of a job." He looked at me stunned for a moment. It never hit him that as technology advances, we lose parts of industries. They aren't needed anymore.

The sign industry is no different. We no longer need "painters", we need graphic artists and installers. The technology caused a shift in demand. It becomes necessary to adapt and change to fit the needs of the business.
A great example of this, and a great example of revenge is the story of the Strowger Switch, or the automatic telephone switch.

"Strowger, an undertaker, was motivated to invent an automatic telephone exchange after having difficulties with the local telephone operators, one of whom was the wife of a competitor. He was said to be convinced that she, as one of the manual telephone exchange operators, was sending calls "to the undertaker" to her husband.[1]

He conceived his invention in 1888, and was awarded a patent for an automatic telephone exchange in 1891. The initial model was made from a round collar box and some straight pins.[2]"


Imagine being so furious over losing a bit of business that you put an entire workforce into retirement.
 

Scotchbrite

No comment
I agree but would probably say the lack of people installing and the rise of independent installers is due to the headaches involved. All of the hoops you have to jump through today can make it a very losing proposition for a sign shop and there are easier ways to make money in the business. The local governments have managed to make even the most basic of installations a gigantic PITA.
And around here it seems like that local government issue has ratcheted up a lot in the last 2 years.
 

Notarealsignguy

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And around here it seems like that local government issue has ratcheted up a lot in the last 2 years.
just wait until construction slows down. All of these inspectors will have nothing to do with their time so the municipalities send them out everyday fishing for code violations. Fire marshall will be busy again catching up on inspections too.
 

Scotchbrite

No comment
just wait until construction slows down. All of these inspectors will have nothing to do with their time so the municipalities send them out everyday fishing for code violations. Fire marshall will be busy again catching up on inspections too.
In 2010, it was all the local cities wanting to have committees with chamber members asking what they could to do to appear "open for business". That's what I keep thinking will happen again here in about 3 to 5 years when they've discouraged too many businesses from moving into town.
 

Stacey K

I like making signs
My town just hired a "yard nazi". I'm not really sure what his exact job title is but part of his job is to go around and ticket people if their grass is over 12" or if they have too much junk in their yard.

Apparently there have been too many complaints for the city to handle itself. We only have like 3,600 people in town and I can probably point out each of the troubled houses so there must be more to his job than that.
 

Boudica

I'm here for educational purposes.
My town just hired a "yard nazi". I'm not really sure what his exact job title is but part of his job is to go around and ticket people if their grass is over 12" or if they have too much junk in their yard.

Apparently there have been too many complaints for the city to handle itself. We only have like 3,600 people in town and I can probably point out each of the troubled houses so there must be more to his job than that.
Are you allowed to have color?
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Notarealsignguy

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In 2010, it was all the local cities wanting to have committees with chamber members asking what they could to do to appear "open for business". That's what I keep thinking will happen again here in about 3 to 5 years when they've discouraged too many businesses from moving into town.
Same here. 2012 we moved into a new shop, no nonsense from the county with the whole you have to update your bathroom to ADA, add more parking, water retention, add landscaping, do this, do that. Fire inspection same deal, looks good to me. Now, if you farrt too loud they will demand you get an air pollution permit and put a wind rated muffler on your chair with stamped engineered drawings and a GC to install it.
 

Notarealsignguy

Arial - it's almost helvetica
My town just hired a "yard nazi". I'm not really sure what his exact job title is but part of his job is to go around and ticket people if their grass is over 12" or if they have too much junk in their yard.

Apparently there have been too many complaints for the city to handle itself. We only have like 3,600 people in town and I can probably point out each of the troubled houses so there must be more to his job than that.
I'm a get off my grass kind of guy so that would be fine with me
 

gnubler

New Member
Are you allowed to have color?
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Not in Santa Fe. Some residents sued the city after they painted a water storage tank the "wrong" shade of desert taupe and were concerned it would impact their property values. In Gnublerville that would have been easily remedied with a friend and two shovels, or a field trip to a hungry pig farm.
 

netsol

Premium Subscriber
Geneva Olson said:
a lot of what you are saying is based on technology and how that techology has changed an industry.
I was at the dr a few years back and he was dictating notes into software while we were meeting. I asked him if he no longer has medical transcriptionists. He said, "no, I've got this cool software now called dragonspeak and I can just dictate and it goes into your file immediately." I responded with, "that software just put a lot of people out of a job." He looked at me stunned for a moment. It never hit him that as technology advances, we lose parts of industries. They aren't needed anymore.

The sign industry is no different. We no longer need "painters", we need graphic artists and installers. The technology caused a shift in demand. It becomes necessary to adapt and change to fit the needs of the business.

we always lose jobs, as new technology evolves.
120 years ago, most of the country were sustainence farmers, spending the year growing their own food.
the car put the blacksmiths out of business

it is interesting though, as we see the end of industries AND PROPOSED ENDS OF INDUSTRIES, i wonder where we are going with this

joe biden talked about eliminating fossil fuels with "new green technology" (most of which doesn't exist yet, or is not perfected)

joe's answer is "let them retrain to write computer code" TWO THINGS

(1) third world programmers from india and the like make this a sub-minimum wage job
(2) how many more programmers can we possibly need?
 
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