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Question Monument Sign install

Mastermatt87

New Member
Maybe a silly question but I haven't done a 2 side install like this.
My plan is to use L brackets and use Cement anchor bolts and bolt the sign to the brick.
using probably 6mm Maxmetal or a Whitewood.

no pre cut track. monument sign .png

Let me know if there is a better way of mounting this sign.

Thanks guys.
 

Mastermatt87

New Member
It is a single sided sign.
Just wondering what hardware to use if what I have chossen
isnt the correct method of install for this case.


thanks guys.
 

skyhigh

New Member
you could actually NOT anchor to the brick work at all, being the back faces the building.

You can sink a couple posts in the back, and "STEP" the sign forward, so it looks like its sitting on the brick.

(for lack of a better explanation, or illustration to show you)

If I were only using the 2 sided brickwork, I would build a frame and anchor to the 2 sides. Your L brackets won't be enough.


Bill, I read it the same, and wondered the same when I read it.
2 sides to anchor to, is what he meant.
 

Billct2

Active Member
Easiest, most economical like skyhigh said, or like dfleming, but unless done right and the masonry is really solid that could be pushed over.
 

Mastermatt87

New Member
Thanks for the replies.
I believe its going to be a little more than I bargained for but it looks like ill be welding
a frame to fasten it down.
 

Billct2

Active Member
The monument has to be well built and in good shape for a plate mount. But at least this one also has a vertical column to fasten too also.
I worked at another shop where did one on a brick base using the bolted plate method. The base was solid and the anchors seemed very sturdy.
A few weeks later the owner called, someone pushed the sign over! We dove right over, sure enough the sign was laying flat on it's face, still securely fastened to the brick base .
It was the brick base that hadn't been secured to the footing, just built on top of it with no connection.
 

signbrad

New Member
In my opinion, the bricks at the bottom should not be used for attachment. That little double wall (no doubt made from hollow bricks) should be viewed as decorative. It will hold weight, but it will not hold up against sideways pressure, that is, back and forth pressure from front and back. Even without vandalism, and even with an attachment to the column on the right, wind movement will be enough to break bricks loose. Assuming the sign will be braced by a frame, the vertical left edge of the sign with its hardware into the brick will act as a pry bar. The lower left attachment will break loose first.

I am assuming any hardware to be used will penetrate the rowlock bricks at the top of the base and go as far as possible into the bricks underneath. Attachment to the rowlocks alone should not even be considered, in my opinion. Eight, ten and twelve-inch wedge anchors are available, but I am skeptical that they will tighten down solid at every penetration into hollow bricks. Even so, it may still be a weak installation and may not stay solid.
Having said all that, I have been proven wrong before.

Two posts behind the base is the easiest way to make this a solid installation, as skyhigh mentioned. An attachment to the column would not even be necessary. Next best thing would be adding a second column, or starting over, both of which would be expensive.

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BRICK BASES


Ideally, the best way to do signs with brick bases and/or columns is to prepare way ahead of time, before you even get your first job requiring brick. The hardest part may be finding a brickmason who will even do the work. Most of them consider a job like this to be a pain in the rear. Many don't know how to price it to make money. It's easier to bid 10 or 15 thousand brick than 350. Consequently, many avoid these little jobs.
Once you find someone who will do it, you can show them a drawing or two to find out their preferences.

If a sign is to be supported by posts, the posts can be installed early, along with the pad for the bricks. Or posts can be bolted to the pad after it's poured. J-bolts into the pad when it's poured can make this easier. Brick work can be done after the posts are in place. I've had bricklayers tell me they will lay the brick around the posts to my dimensions and then I can set the sign. Others have told me to set the sign and they will brick up to it. I think most can do it either way, unless they're newbs. In either case, if they see your drawing, they can make adjustments to your dimensions to make them brick-friendly.

Obviously, this kind of preparation was not possible for Mastermatt87. The bricks were in place before he even got the job.


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I wonder a little about the experience of the brick guy who built the base. Surely he knew it was for a sign. Maybe he has done very little sign work. Or perhaps he was given detailed instructions by a building owner and he just did what he was told, figuring that setting the sign was not his problem.
And I guess it's not.



Brad in Kansas City
 

visual800

Active Member
Kids, this is not a freaking NASA PROJECT.youcan place an aluminum signframe on those bricks drill 2 times to the right and 2 to the bottom, drop some galvanized lag bolts with silicone, that thing wont move for the net 24 years.

this is not difficult I do not understand why some replies are 5 pages long
 

Johnny Best

Active Member
Kids, this is not a freaking NASA PROJECT.youcan place an aluminum signframe on those bricks drill 2 times to the right and 2 to the bottom, drop some galvanized lag bolts with silicone, that thing wont move for the net 24 years.

this is not difficult I do not understand why some replies are 5 pages long

Like SpaceX... visual.jpg
 

printhog

New Member
looks like a nice opportunity to upsell to a sandblasted sign or dimensional letters on a boxed panel... make a profitable job out of it.. Hope you arent leaving $ on the table on purpose with that 6mm maxmetal..
 
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