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Moving on from Epson printers, would really appreciate some advice on switching to Canon

FrancisK

New Member
Hello all my first post here and very happy to have found this place it was highly recommended, thank you sincerely for your time and help we could really use some advice.



We sell basic glossy photos and poster prints, from 4"x6" all the way up to 40"x60" we've been in business for over a decade and have always used Epson printers and Inkjetmall products. I can't say it's been a good experience with this particular setup it seems something has always been wrong but we've made it work thus far. We currently use three 9890's and two P800's, we've kept these late model printers running forever because they use refillable carts but unfortunately it looks like our time with them is coming to an end. Two of the three 9890's need new print heads and probably some other misc parts and the last running 9890 is exhibiting some alarming issues as well so we're looking at a roughly $2500 overhaul on each one. On top of that the extended warranties on our P800's just came to end and one is for sure on it's way out and the second isn't exactly running flawless either, those printers have been terrible if it wasn't for the warranty and Epson swapping them out for us pretty much twice a year we never would have kept using them. It's probably just time for new printers at this point but newer Epson printers don't work with any refillable carts and quite frankly we have soured on Epson in general they are nothing but constant problems you never know day to day what new problem there is going to be even though we do the same exact printing every day, the only variable is that days current functionality of the printers.


Well instead of just keep throwing big money at these printers which drive us nuts we're thinking it's just time to move on, also there is the issue that the ink we originally used from IJM is no longer being produced and what we have left is the last of it as we bought them out, some of the colors are starting to run low and they are degrading.


So long story short we are thinking to move on to Canon, I have read multiple stories of former Epson users turning to Canon and have been very happy. From what I hear they are far less problematic and cheaper to repair, anything is better than the hell and constant stress along with printer errors and misprints these Epson's give us daily.


The problem is we know nothing about Canon printers, we would need two printers capable of printing up to 42" wide and two printers capable of printing up to 17" wide. Also obviously we would like to use refillable carts and ink for these printers if possible.



Can anyone help point is in the right direction as to what we should be shopping for? Do newer Canon printers direct from Canon them with warranties work with refillable carts or are we going to be shopping on the secondary market here?





Thank you sincerely for any help!
 

MarkSnelling

Mark Snelling - Hasco Graphics
I sell Canon printers, but if you have considerable volume, would it make more sense to go with a high speed Roland printer? Their new unit would drop your ink costs down to around $.10/ft2 and the print media would be significantly less as well. I have a customer who was running 4 Epson aqueous printers and replaced them with the one roland. He was paying over $.30/ft2 for ink and nearly double for the paper that he could use on the solvent unit. While the unit is more (all in around $25K) the speeds and operating costs will put handfuls of cash back in your pocket.
 

FrancisK

New Member
I sell Canon printers, but if you have considerable volume, would it make more sense to go with a high speed Roland printer? Their new unit would drop your ink costs down to around $.10/ft2 and the print media would be significantly less as well. I have a customer who was running 4 Epson aqueous printers and replaced them with the one roland. He was paying over $.30/ft2 for ink and nearly double for the paper that he could use on the solvent unit. While the unit is more (all in around $25K) the speeds and operating costs will put handfuls of cash back in your pocket.

Hi Mark really appreciate the reply thank you, didn't even consider Roland the only printer I've had in my head the last ten years were these horrid Epsons. From my limited knowledge I was under the impression that Roland was more for commercial work, we do glossy photos/posters for retail. We do probably an average of 35 prints a day but we do more sheets than we do roll paper.
 

Humble PM

Mostly tolerates architects
For batches of 6x4" - 10x8", we're having good luck with our Epson D800 - prints and cuts all day.
We've replace one print head around the 60,000 print mark. We're currently £0.06 per 6x4" - not the cheapest, but post production is zero.
I've profiled the D800, so output matches almost exactly what we get from our Canon 8400, except the gloss result has no gloss differential.
 

MarkSnelling

Mark Snelling - Hasco Graphics
Hi Mark really appreciate the reply thank you, didn't even consider Roland the only printer I've had in my head the last ten years were these horrid Epsons. From my limited knowledge I was under the impression that Roland was more for commercial work, we do glossy photos/posters for retail. We do probably an average of 35 prints a day but we do more sheets than we do roll paper.
Yeah well sheets won't really work on a Roland. But just put those numbers somewhere....Our #1 selling paper is $150 for a 54"x164' and the ink costs are around $.10/ft2 on this particular unit. If I'm right about saving you at least $.25/ft2 in ink just do the math. It might add up for you....it might not. There are also less expensive units out there (which come with higher ink costs). But even at 35 prints a day, I'd bet a good solvent printer is probably a better investment than you think.
 

netsol

Premium Subscriber
Yeah well sheets won't really work on a Roland. But just put those numbers somewhere....Our #1 selling paper is $150 for a 54"x164' and the ink costs are around $.10/ft2 on this particular unit. If I'm right about saving you at least $.25/ft2 in ink just do the math. It might add up for you....it might not. There are also less expensive units out there (which come with higher ink costs). But even at 35 prints a day, I'd bet a good solvent printer is probably a better investment than you think.
which paper is that, Mark?

and, not trying to hijack someone else's thread, but, is there a satin or lustre photo paper that will work well with my Mutoh VJ-1617h? it runs MP31 inks.
 

davison

New Member
I run a Canon Pro 4100 and never have any problem out of it. If you are only running aqueous ink you can't beat the Canon. I run archive fine art paper, poster papers, photo papers and canvas.
 
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