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Need Spectrophotometer for Onyx
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FrankW
New Member
A suggestion will depend on what printer and media you use. If you want to make profiles for vinyl or paper only, a XRite i1 Pro is ok (you don't even need special software if using Onyx for calibration). Find information here: https://www.xrite.com/categories/calibration-profiling/i1basic-pro-2 . If you want to do calibrations for backlit applications too (lightsource below the media), or for textiles too (large or different measure aperture sizes), or media for which you need a polarizer and so on, I would recommend a Barbieri Spectro LFP/Spectro LFP QB. A nice device inbetween them is the Barbieri SpectroPad (Wireless usable). Infos abou Barbieri: https://www.barbierielectronic.com/en/digital-imaging/1-0.html
And, of course, in addition, the prices are very different.
And, of course, in addition, the prices are very different.
Pauly
Printrade.com.au
As already stated, Depending on your printer and materials and budget.
Most people will get away using this:
Xrite i1 pro. You dont need to get the whole package as you only need the ruler and device as onyx is your software.
If you want automation, Xrite has the Isis which is good only for papers, vinyls ect. or the i1i0 which still needs the i1pro but you can use rigid media on it also.
If you do backlit stuff and transparent. Barbieri is where you need to look. A lot more expensive, and you only get the device. (unlike e xrite you get the device and software depending on package)
Spectropad is great for flatbed printers but still a great all round device. (wont do backlit)
Spectroswing is like the isis except it'll read transparent/backlit media
Spectro LFP will do backlit and rigid materials. also has other modes like variable aperture and touchless mode ect.
Spectro QB is the successor of the LFP, the head comes off and you can use it to do spot measured remotely. pretty neat imo.
I own the LFP and spectropad. I use both, sometimes simultaneously.
The barbieri is more specialised, most people dream of owning them but really don't actually need it and can make do with xrite stuff.
Most people will get away using this:
Xrite i1 pro. You dont need to get the whole package as you only need the ruler and device as onyx is your software.
If you want automation, Xrite has the Isis which is good only for papers, vinyls ect. or the i1i0 which still needs the i1pro but you can use rigid media on it also.
If you do backlit stuff and transparent. Barbieri is where you need to look. A lot more expensive, and you only get the device. (unlike e xrite you get the device and software depending on package)
Spectropad is great for flatbed printers but still a great all round device. (wont do backlit)
Spectroswing is like the isis except it'll read transparent/backlit media
Spectro LFP will do backlit and rigid materials. also has other modes like variable aperture and touchless mode ect.
Spectro QB is the successor of the LFP, the head comes off and you can use it to do spot measured remotely. pretty neat imo.
I own the LFP and spectropad. I use both, sometimes simultaneously.
The barbieri is more specialised, most people dream of owning them but really don't actually need it and can make do with xrite stuff.
Pauly
Printrade.com.au
Depending how much your boss wants to spend. the difference is the licencing inside the i1pro2 device, and you get a few more tools.
https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-i1Bas...236&s=electronics&sr=1-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/X-Rite-i1Pub...9901262&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1
MikePro
New Member
+1 xRite.
Luckily my HP 26500 has onboard spectro, but we used to borrow an xrite from the salesman that sold us our printer everytime we wanted to profile our machine. Sounds "cheap", but its worth a shot to give them a chance to make a sales-call while you get a chance to "try" the gear for free without having to purchase it for a single profiling session.
Luckily my HP 26500 has onboard spectro, but we used to borrow an xrite from the salesman that sold us our printer everytime we wanted to profile our machine. Sounds "cheap", but its worth a shot to give them a chance to make a sales-call while you get a chance to "try" the gear for free without having to purchase it for a single profiling session.
FrankW
New Member
If needed, the Barbieri can be used with the i1 Profiler Software too. We have a standalone licence of i1 profiler, no idea what this will cost.
We have an i1, a Spectropad and a Spectro LFP in our company ... whenever possible I prefer using the LFP.
SignMeUpGraphics
Super Active Member
You're going to need the Publish package if you want to profile CMYK printers. Basic won't do it out of the box.
Pauly
Printrade.com.au
pretty much.
Hes using onyx to make the profiles. i believe you dont need the xrite publish software but i'd still get it. never know.
ColorCrest
All around shop helper.
I can't imagine you would need automation unless you have many printers with many different media. You'll best be served to begin simply and scanning relatively few swatches such a sweet spot of 1005 which should fit on a single sheet. There exists a finite number swatch counts which optimize gray balance. Another sweet spot is 2033 if you're measuring somewhat rough media with an i1.
I don't believe Onyx lets you specify your own swatch counts but try to be sure the sheet has plenty of grays and near grays. If not, you'll need to be measuring lots of colors.
I don't believe Onyx lets you specify your own swatch counts but try to be sure the sheet has plenty of grays and near grays. If not, you'll need to be measuring lots of colors.
SignMeUpGraphics
Super Active Member
Aah right... sorry, I'm used to making mine in i1Profiler. Easier and larger gamut compared to Onyx for some reason.
White Haus
Not a Newbie
Don't mean to hi-jack this thread....but I'm curious about all these variables and options.
For example, we're running Onyx Thrive, printing with an Oce Arizona flatbed and 2 Rolands. So we would need to profile rigid and roll media. Assuming we would want to stick with i1 - would both versions work?
Basic Pro would work but profiles need to be created in Onyx?
Publish Pro would do everything in one step/software?
For someone that has no experience creating profiles (the extent of my knowledge is basic color/profile terms - I understand the concept but haven't gotten my feet wet yet) is there one option that would be simpler than the other without losing functionality? I do understand color management, Delta E etc, but ink limits is something that still seems a little confusing at this point.
Is paying for training worthwhile or can a newbie eventually figure it out with lots of time/effort? (And help from you experts here on Signs 101 lol)
Again sorry to side track the conversation but I suppose it is somewhat related.
Thanks in advance,
Patrick
For example, we're running Onyx Thrive, printing with an Oce Arizona flatbed and 2 Rolands. So we would need to profile rigid and roll media. Assuming we would want to stick with i1 - would both versions work?
Basic Pro would work but profiles need to be created in Onyx?
Publish Pro would do everything in one step/software?
For someone that has no experience creating profiles (the extent of my knowledge is basic color/profile terms - I understand the concept but haven't gotten my feet wet yet) is there one option that would be simpler than the other without losing functionality? I do understand color management, Delta E etc, but ink limits is something that still seems a little confusing at this point.
Is paying for training worthwhile or can a newbie eventually figure it out with lots of time/effort? (And help from you experts here on Signs 101 lol)
Again sorry to side track the conversation but I suppose it is somewhat related.
Thanks in advance,
Patrick
Pauly
Printrade.com.au
i1 pro will work for any printer. rigid or roll media. the i1i0 will work for automation but with rigid, you'd need to cut the media to fix the table.
The basic pro, yes you'll only be able to build profiles on onyx.
Publish, No it's no a 1 step process, you still need to go though the onyx ink restrictions, limits ect. the software will create the icc proile only. i can do other things, but that's for printers not using a RIP.
Training will be worthwhile, speak to onyx.
i learnt the basics from someone we originally paid to profile the printer. rest i learnt myself, but a huge learning curve depending how far you take it.
Well, FINALLY got i1 publish pro 2! Been getting my feet wet learning my way through using it, as I have yet to see anything resembling a how-to video.
When we got our first S60, an Epson tech helped me with profiling it by eye, got close enough to work, but not 2000=colors. We did so by editing the Ink Density Factor in Onyx. Should I set the IDF back to 100 across the spectrum, or will it matter because Onyx will be reading the color swatches?
When we got our first S60, an Epson tech helped me with profiling it by eye, got close enough to work, but not 2000=colors. We did so by editing the Ink Density Factor in Onyx. Should I set the IDF back to 100 across the spectrum, or will it matter because Onyx will be reading the color swatches?
Completely agree , its all depends on need , Usage and budget.
White Haus
Not a Newbie
Thanks Pauly, appreciate your input. So if you had to choose one, would you choose the Publish Pro version? There is a bit of an increase in price over Basic, but I don't want to limit myself. We're going to get some color management/profiling training while the tech is here installing a new printer so I'm finally ready to pull the trigger on one of these guys.
Thanks again.
Pauly
Printrade.com.au
Can't go wrong with having the publish pro version.
It allows you to use their profiling software which isn't a bad thing to have.
Other useful things is the quality checker.
White Haus
Not a Newbie
Thanks Pauly. Waiting for someone from X-Rite to give me a call back with pricing on both options. Based on what I saw online Publish is 3x the cost of the Basic so I suppose I have to decide if the added features are worth the added expense. Hopefully they can shed some light on that.