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Office 2019 for Mac
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Texas_Signmaker
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not sure what the deal is? when you buy software at some point they stop making updates for it
WildWestDesigns
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It has nothing to do with that.
The original EOL statement said that you original app would still work and not disappear from the system and that your files were ok. In the "updated" version (which they made it seem like it was the originally published version and NOT an updated version) states that only your files would still be opened by "any supported" Office product. Not the one that you got on the perpetual license. No mention that your app would still work or that it wouldn't disappear (if I'm not mistaken, older versions of some MS products have been removed via update channels (Skype for Business to Teams etc, so the delivery system is there for partial or all of this)) from the system in the "updated" version.
Yes, updates stop going has been accepted practice for a long time. This is about a perpetually licensed product no longer working. What was one benefit of a perpetually licensed product? The ability to still use it and not have to pay to upgrade to the next version as long as it would still install on the OS. That doesn't appear to be the case anymore.
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WildWestDesigns
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Bbbbbbut they gave use notepad with "AI" also.
Unless there is some funky settings going on, LibreOffice tends to do a good job. I rarely use an Office product of any kind, but LibreOffice is decent in a pinch. I had used WordPad for a lot of stuff though, I liked it over notepad (although that was my first source code editor for what little tinkering I did back in the 80s (used it more for web site stuff in the 90s)Wordpad grew on me late 90s-early aughts, left Windows when Win7 was new though).
WildWestDesigns
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I wonder if they would have another update that would continue to scan for it and remove it again if found?
Man, I miss the programs that have most, if not everything bundled it. Ones that I write I try to do that, either link with musl for totally portable or only need system libraries. I have a very old embroidery program (last updated by the original dev in 2006) that is for Windows only (although WINE will somewhat run it, I haven't checked it lately to see if WINE has improved running it, been almost a decade on that). One binary, but it did have a chm file for help, but it wasn't required to run. He OSS'ed it in the end and their website was up for the longest time, but it's no longer around. It's still has it's usefulness, especially when I was teaching people. Ironically, talk about old free Windows programs, it's main picture source file is BMP, which was the master format for MsPaint if I recall (I think they were going to remove that at one time, but there was a big stink over it, so they kept it last I heard, deprecated and all, but I digress).
WildWestDesigns
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netsol
So it looks like we are getting a clearer picture as to what the plans are.
Texas_Signmaker
The problem that we have here is that a previous working, perpetually licensed product, is going to be going into forced "reduced functionality mode", forceful neutering in other words (this explains why they took out the lines that they did in the above images). Not only if the product goes out of support, but if the OS goes out of support (and it's an "or" test, not an "and" test, so only 1 has to be true, in the case of the product talking about, probably both, but not necessarily the case, it would just depend on if it can be installed and run on newer versions of the OS). I can understand this on SaaS based products, it should be a given, but not on perpetually licensed products. If this is normalized (which I think it will be, after all we have SaaS to begin with and this really isn't any different), I can easily see the last remnants of perpetually licensed goods going away ("you will own nothing and be happy" really has been coming to mind lately, 3D printing world, automotive world, the hits just keep on coming).
Now, if I were to pull out my tinfoil hat, I wouldn't be surprised if there were APIs that the software vendors could query (if need be, if there is some centralized store, that's easily retrieved, which is where things are heading for everything) to even handle this for older software that may not have this built in to the update mechanism of the program itself (if they are perpetually online, if offline, that's something else, yet another *new* reason why I do not like production machines having a perpetual internet connection.
So it looks like we are getting a clearer picture as to what the plans are.
Texas_Signmaker
The problem that we have here is that a previous working, perpetually licensed product, is going to be going into forced "reduced functionality mode", forceful neutering in other words (this explains why they took out the lines that they did in the above images). Not only if the product goes out of support, but if the OS goes out of support (and it's an "or" test, not an "and" test, so only 1 has to be true, in the case of the product talking about, probably both, but not necessarily the case, it would just depend on if it can be installed and run on newer versions of the OS). I can understand this on SaaS based products, it should be a given, but not on perpetually licensed products. If this is normalized (which I think it will be, after all we have SaaS to begin with and this really isn't any different), I can easily see the last remnants of perpetually licensed goods going away ("you will own nothing and be happy" really has been coming to mind lately, 3D printing world, automotive world, the hits just keep on coming).
Now, if I were to pull out my tinfoil hat, I wouldn't be surprised if there were APIs that the software vendors could query (if need be, if there is some centralized store, that's easily retrieved, which is where things are heading for everything) to even handle this for older software that may not have this built in to the update mechanism of the program itself (if they are perpetually online, if offline, that's something else, yet another *new* reason why I do not like production machines having a perpetual internet connection.
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Johnny Best
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Problem might be that old chips were 64 bit and now with Apple’s new M poowebook because of the 64 bit and ny newere laptop was a M3 chip.so it will not be able to work the way it did, I had that problem with Adobe CS6 would not work on my newer laptop with Tahoe 26.3.1 OS. If I wanted Adobe to work on the newer powerbook I would have to upgrade and pay a monthly fee and I am not going to do that so I moved to the Affinity products. There is always a workaround when it comes to computers.
WildWestDesigns
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No, because this would affect people on the older hardware that is no longer supported as well. It wouldn't be surprised to see an older box for something that either didn't make it out of the old 9X days running in the corner or even out of the DOS days as well. They explicitly mentioned upgrading that old box as well, so they weren't just thinking for those on newer hardware (which is always a gamble, even in the old days) running older programs.
Rosetta 2 still exists on M3 chips does it not? That should do better compared to say QEMU. Now, with the CS6 suite, that translation may be more of a cost, but for office programs, I don't necessarily think so and Rosetta isn't full emulation like QEMU, so it doesn't have the same hit (there is some, but not the same). It's like WINE for Linux (and for Mac, there is a commercial variant for Mac users, which translate Windows calls to posix).