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Oh Yea Nothing can go Wrong Here
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What could possibly go wrong 
I said it a long time ago, everything on line in recent years has been about nothing but marketing, collecting info about you to sell you stuff, and in the end AI would be no different. All these visions of it making our lives so much better, and all it'll be is just another sales and marketing tool... Period.
Go on social media, it's all ads, try to research something and Google tries to only give you things to buy off your search based on who pays them the most, and passes that cost onto you. It's what everything becomes, and the writing was on the wall when chatGPT first announced you could make in app purchases, the beginning of the end. I knew it would all just become nothing more than another marketing and sales tool, chat bots will become ad bots, corporations will all want to be first to jump on board before they realize just how bad things could go, and we consumers will end up paying for their blunders yet again. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and I've seen soem dumb s**t. Even the artical mentions many ways it can go wrong, but nothing about how these would be addressed.
Security??? Ha! 100% correct, that's a joke. Credit card companies and e-commerce sites get hacked all the time, and AI is becoming the preferred tool to hack them. So yeah, lets add more motivation by putting everyone's credit card numbers on the line, all in one place, with AI as the gatekeeper. What could possibly go wrong. And I'm calling BS on how 24% of US consumers would be comfortable with this, I say they used AI to generate that number too...
I said it a long time ago, everything on line in recent years has been about nothing but marketing, collecting info about you to sell you stuff, and in the end AI would be no different. All these visions of it making our lives so much better, and all it'll be is just another sales and marketing tool... Period.
Go on social media, it's all ads, try to research something and Google tries to only give you things to buy off your search based on who pays them the most, and passes that cost onto you. It's what everything becomes, and the writing was on the wall when chatGPT first announced you could make in app purchases, the beginning of the end. I knew it would all just become nothing more than another marketing and sales tool, chat bots will become ad bots, corporations will all want to be first to jump on board before they realize just how bad things could go, and we consumers will end up paying for their blunders yet again. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and I've seen soem dumb s**t. Even the artical mentions many ways it can go wrong, but nothing about how these would be addressed.
Security??? Ha! 100% correct, that's a joke. Credit card companies and e-commerce sites get hacked all the time, and AI is becoming the preferred tool to hack them. So yeah, lets add more motivation by putting everyone's credit card numbers on the line, all in one place, with AI as the gatekeeper. What could possibly go wrong. And I'm calling BS on how 24% of US consumers would be comfortable with this, I say they used AI to generate that number too...
WildWestDesigns
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This is what blows my mind (and not just with what passes for "AI"), why people delegate responsibility of keeping their data safe to corporations that don't care about their user's data? That's clearly been shown time and time again.
On a side note, can one imagine the convenience when CoPilot has this ability (and the individual phone vendor's "AI") with it being baked right into the OS? After all, at it's core, it's ChatGPT. Someone would just need to create the API hooks that are specific to CoPilot and away one goes. Imagine that mic (that one can't technically turn off as a software based on/off switch is not the same thing as a hardware based kill switch) picking up "I really could use 'X'..", next thing, it's been purchased.
it's funny...What could possibly go wrong
I said it a long time ago, everything on line in recent years has been about nothing but marketing, collecting info about you to sell you stuff, and in the end AI would be no different. All these visions of it making our lives so much better, and all it'll be is just another sales and marketing tool... Period.
Go on social media, it's all ads, try to research something and Google tries to only give you things to buy off your search based on who pays them the most, and passes that cost onto you. It's what everything becomes, and the writing was on the wall when chatGPT first announced you could make in app purchases, the beginning of the end. I knew it would all just become nothing more than another marketing and sales tool, chat bots will become ad bots, corporations will all want to be first to jump on board before they realize just how bad things could go, and we consumers will end up paying for their blunders yet again. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and I've seen soem dumb s**t. Even the artical mentions many ways it can go wrong, but nothing about how these would be addressed.
Security??? Ha! 100% correct, that's a joke. Credit card companies and e-commerce sites get hacked all the time, and AI is becoming the preferred tool to hack them. So yeah, lets add more motivation by putting everyone's credit card numbers on the line, all in one place, with AI as the gatekeeper. What could possibly go wrong. And I'm calling BS on how 24% of US consumers would be comfortable with this, I say they used AI to generate that number too...
the thing that made google THE SEARCH ENGINE was the fact that they would find the thing you were searching for unlike BING, for instance
(i am not sure what bing does)
now they just want to know who will pay the most, REGARDLESS of whether there was any relationship to the question you asked...
WildWestDesigns
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The irony now is that those "sponsored" results are actually potential vector for security risks. I actually have it setup on my network to not allow going to those links. Again, delegating security to others (and this goes in other "safety" arenas as well, particularly politically based) never really goes well for those that want to be lazy and have others: "Handle it, handle it."
Ron at Forest Litho
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My current warning to all friends is "DO NOT CLICK ON ANYTHING in ANY EMAIL OR TEXT THAT YOUR RECEIVE!" Also, if you want to check and see if someone actually sent you something do NOT click reply to them! It could be a fake email, off by 1 letter. open a new reply and use the address in your own address book to say I just got this xxxx from you , DID YOU SEND IT???
WildWestDesigns
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And they are still no where near knowing what's going on. These are black boxes at best. They abstract all the knowledge away from the user and give the false feeling that they have "created" something. People will claim that it "democratizes" whatever industry, it doesn't. Knowledge is what democratizes, not abstraction (knowledge in today's age, at least for the time being) is not being gate kept, it's just people wanting the "magic bullet" without putting in the effort.
Abstraction may help one get going quicker, but hit that road block, not know what's going on, boom dependent on the server provider that you pay. Or they up that price making it harder and harder for you to access, now one is coming from having something delegated to "AI" have to do it on your own. We have a "use it or lose it" situation, if knew what to do originally. Even if you were able to muddle through it again, it would have taken you longer compared to if you were always in practice of doing it and it may even take a little bit longer to get back into the swing of things again.
We actually already have studies were people relied on models (and people that know better, what they are doing that have used "AI") and there is a degradation of brain neurons firing (and quite of few of those don't come back even when stop using "AI" and that was when the models were "worse"). We have even seen that with traditional desktop/laptops/tablets that have been in use the schools for decades, so called "digital natives", that don't know about file trees, or even how to save files and where files go when saved (this isn't every one of them, not saying that, but it is a huge chunk of them).
And while there is still going to be consolidation of models, bare in mind, I think we only have 10-15 unique models, but there a million models being advertised. Reskins, derivatives of those base 10-15. So really not even a lot of of uniqueness going on there, just whatever extra little payment API hooks they have going on or whatever other side deals, but the core "AI" is what is not unique.
For me, this isn't the best way for efficiency. This isn't efficiency gained from knowledge that separates one from their competition. This isn't even a competitive advantage. After all, those with ability to pay the price, all have access to the same thing. There is no uniqueness, especially considering all the reskining of models going on. Now, here is the real pickle, how many are using cloud based models versus local models? I would say that most that are at our level, are going to be using cloud based (shoot, most here use cloud based for other things, why stop now), that actually puts one more in a pickle.
If past history with our use of tech, particularly in ways of using them for learning during someone's formative years, stays the same, I have a feeling that we are going to lose more compared to what we have gained from this "AI" usage. Implementation is the key thing and we don't tend to implement things correctly, because it tends to be a run before walk.
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Bing shouldn't even exist, and Google is catching up to it fast. Search results on almost every browser just suck, how many really give what you're looking for? How many times are you looking for just information and get nothing but buying options for things that it tries to shoehorn into the search criteria? And it's usually the same ones who pay to be there. And those search assistants, all they are is glorified Wikipedia links. Yeah, that's really intelligent, none of us would ever thing of looking at Wiki for information
All things people should fear happening.... Especially it suddenly ordering things for you. Imagine discussing getting a new printer, AI catches the conversation, the brand you're considering, Visa ups your credit limit, and suddenly there's a truck at the dock to deliver it at 28% interest. Might sound far fetched, but then so has everything else AI has done so far.
Artists, designers, poets, authors, writers, musicians, all found out how far you can trust AI and the people behind it, data collection dubbed as intelligence that doesn't protect basic ownership, copyrights or trademarks just for revenue and profit... How far can you trust that with anything, especially your financials! You can't, not the AI programs, or the people behind it.. And we can't forget... There are people behind it that stand to profit.
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The reason it's postage stamp size is because it's all created from stolen images it uses for reference that are also postage stamp size. It can't create anything new, it can only use what it has to manipulate and combine, which is mostly small format, low resolution artwork, much of what it starts with is icon size, so very small format artwork can come out looking pretty good. Sometimes you get lucky and it will have some higher resolution imagery that it's stolen that fits your prompts, but usually not. So now you're stuck either re-drawing it, or crossing your fingers with using AI again to enlarge it and still have any detail left. It's not ideal in the large format world, and won't be for a looong time yet, if ever now that they're starting to turn it into an advertising and sales bot like every browser and social media site already is.
WildWestDesigns
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Why don't you ask Anthropic on that one about who stops access etc (or at least attempts to).
As to truly "smarter", no these are not "AI" still that people imagine in terms of MCP, HAL, Skynet etc. How these models learn and are used preclude that at this time.
As with any "new frontier", laws take time to actually handle the new tech. Which is compounded with the average age of those that are making the laws and their general understanding (or lack thereof) in the field itself (most normies don't even understand this stuff, why tech oligarchy (and tech feudalism) is a thing, the fact that people call this iteration "AI" when it is not "AI" at all and people are willingly using it and "feeding it" and this would actually go into people's new use of the CC suite as well considering that is also rented, but I digress). Between the bickering and the time from when that is finalized to actually being enforced, it could be a decade. The more drastic the tech changes within a short amount of time, the longer that it takes. Shoot, even the DMCA took years before it took effect and that moved really quickly (3 yrs I think). EU's AI deal (which I think only fully went into effect this year) took 9. Internet and telecommunications acts (Net Neutrality etc) took longer. Net Neutrality I think is still in flux.
Edit to Add: I would submit that also that the reason that "AI" might appear to be getting smarter is that we actually have reports that people are getting dumber with usage of "AI" (they mention it as less brain connectivity, so a little more PC compared to what I would have said) and the one that I like to link in these threads is from last year, when the models were not as "good" as they are now. So there could be two things going on at the same time. I know anecdotally people that know their "stuff" felt like they were actually slower with "AI" help, because even if they knew what to do, they still waited until "AI" gave it's answer. And of course, we have the speculation that some may try to make using this stuff more addictive.
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Ron at Forest Litho
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I am old school graphic artist. I did a fun poster with a polar bear selling sewing machines and they said "nice use of AI" !!!!
There's no AI in there! Now it doesn't matter if you are good at your job, creative or skilled. Those things no longer have value. Everything is just AI trash. Let's order up 1000 Mona Lisas.
There's no AI in there! Now it doesn't matter if you are good at your job, creative or skilled. Those things no longer have value. Everything is just AI trash. Let's order up 1000 Mona Lisas.
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I get it, understand that completely.
I'm a child of the 50's, grew up in a body shop, learned to letter trucks with pounce paper and brushes, had to learn how to do custom finishes, airbrush murals on the vans in the 70's, fabricate whatever was needed and not available... I applied all that knowledge to the digital world for the last 30+ years doing signs, displays, exhibits, and more. I'm a musician too, my entire life has been about art in one form or another. I'm not the best at anything by any means, but it took a lot of hard work and dedication to get to where I'm at... Sorry, but getting AI to puke some slop out for you is not on the same level, never will be, nor will it never make anyone a real artist of any type. As much as I still love what I do, I'll be really happy to hang it up with the way things are today.
WildWestDesigns
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This has been going on for a long time once computers hit the scene.
I grew up before the big boom of computers. Animation was still done by hand on paper (I still do that as well, but I still use my Cintiq to get it done on the computer as well). I learned how to use the Ames Guide to letter my comic strips.
The problem is in this computerized age, most people have assumed that it has been a button push for 30+ yrs now. When I started doing embroidery digitally('94), there was no such thing as a stitch engine (or if it did exist is what is the primo ubber expensive programs and that's saying something in that industry). One mouse click equals one needle penetration, the user was the stitch engine. Now we have very bad auto conversion (some would call it auto digitization, I do not, but I'll spare people that topic (for now)), especially considering the software costs $15k (well do have about $125 subscription per year (not for a suite of programs, keep that in mind)). I still had done the manual 1 click = 1 needle penetration all that time as for some designs, it still required that (realistic embroidery or sometimes needing to get very creative with small spaces). I can't tell you how many people, long before "AI" came into being still thought it was one button and that was it. If it wasn't that, they assumed that I just used already existing designs for my stock designs. They didn't know that I could go from sketch to finished product (or that I knew how to create the actual substrate from scratch either (be it a table throw, t-shirt, pillow etc)).
Digital had lost the value since the beginning. It doesn't hold the same consideration as a first publication of whatever classic book (of course, given the reading abilities now, I doubt any book would have much value, but I digress). Personally, as I have gotten older, I prefer going back to the more traditional methods (and I do like my tech, I honestly do) as even more people are not going to be able to do it. Now the problem that we are going to have is that people aren't going to believe it unless they see one do it right on the spot (which thankfully, I can, it may be boring going through all my steps, but I can still do it).
This will stay, because corporations want it. Anyone that wants to work for a corporation (I never could imagine that even when I was entering the work force, when my dad worked for one, it was a vastly different time, one could understand it in that context) will have to do that. Just no way around it. It enables the safest, easiest and the most generic output that there is. And it handles design by committee very well. There is no art involved in it. At best one is a "cleaner" of art, but a prompt writer does not make one an artist.
As how to handle it, there will always be people that don't care, just "handle it, handle it" and there are others that like that extra mile. That authenticity, especially as it's going to be the norm as people that have no skill/talent, no knowledge of what is being abstracted away are using what passes for "AI" and will actually have problem troubleshooting due to their lack of knowledge, will still have a demand. I doubt it will be as big as it once was, but it will still be there.