Soy Bean Farmers

[TradeBalanceBoss]

That would be great, but they would probably get us with sales tax! LOL

Yeah, but at least we would be in control. Sales tax? Oh okay, I'll make everything for myself and buy less. Or buy things that last so you don't buy as much.

With how much taxes we pay our streets should be paved in gold, seriously. No one even can truly imagine how much one trillion dollars is.

The total amount of all taxes collected by federal, state, and local governments in the U.S. in 2022 was approximately $8.59 trillion.
This includes:

• $4.9 trillion in federal revenue (mainly income and payroll taxes),
• $2.13 trillion in state tax revenue,
• $1.56 trillion in local tax revenue.

Its a lot of money.

To give you some perspective:

The total market capitalization of all publicly traded companies in the U.S. is around $50 trillion, meaning $8.59 trillion could buy roughly 17% of all U.S. stocks.

It’s more than the annual GDP of every country except the U.S., China, and Germany.

You could buy all the gold in Fort Knox (worth ~$250 billion) over 34 times.

It’s enough to give every person in the U.S. (about 335 million) over $25,000.

You could purchase every professional sports franchise in the U.S. (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL) multiple times over and still have trillions left.

and lastly....

If you spent $1 million per day, it would take over 8,500 years to spend $8.59 trillion.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

We need smaller government. How is it so huge? Well we pay them too much money in taxes and they have so much money they are giving a bunch of money to anyone who puts their hand out, even other countries, with OUR HARD EARNED money that they take from us in "taxes" by the threat of jail.

Imagine if we didn't have to pay income tax and property tax. We would have a nice giant chunk of extra money.

Hot take? As we started doing more handouts, off loading things to the government, it requires more and more governmental bodies to be "hall monitoring", although how well have them been doing when we have been seeing all of these scandals involving government funds. And a certain side wants the government to be more involved. It has hardly ever worked out and we are seeing it now. So many "bleeding hearts" results in bureaucratic mess which is just rife with fraud/abuse. But as long as people are able to take their turn at the government tit, it still goes that way.

Random thought...farmers can't plant soybeans in the same field every year. The crop has to be rotated, typically with corn. So these farmers if they have 1,000 acres, 500 is corn and 500 is soybeans. You can only rotate soybeans and corn for so many years before you have to plant a cover crop to put nutrients back into the ground. So, my point is I would guess these farmers are only losing half their overall crops, unless they rotate entire fields each year, 2025 soybeans, 2026 corn, 2027 soybeans....

Unless someone knows different, I would be curious to hear about it.

Oh boy, we can have some fun with this one. Also during FDR's term (for all the pearl clutchers, FDR actually only came out of office after going on his 4th term due to death, so whenever someone over reacts to Trumps trolling on third term, I just have to roll my eyes), we have the land fallow program from the AAA back in the 30s that started (and it still does, even though there was fraud attached to it, even as late as 2024 and it was a fraud within the bureaucracy, imagine that) paying farmers NOT to plant crops. How is that for a humdinger? The thing is, those that make the laws/regulations rarely have the aptitude to make such calls and the ones that they do listen to, usually want to get some of that government money as well.

As to crop rotation, while there are some differences in nutrient demands, corn is actually the worst, it's nitrogen usage is fairly "robust" compared to soybeans. Best thing to do would be to plant legumes (clover, alfalfa etc) as they would actually affix into the ground nutrients that they pull from the atmosphere. The key thing is to keep them from bolting (going to seed), once they start doing that, they start pulling those ground nutrient stores for seed production. Unfortunately, legumes don't necessarily have as much market avenues compared to corn and soybeans (livestock feed they do, but construction of seat parts for vehicles, fuel for vehicles (which is a huge strain and one that doesn't need to be there).

 

[ProSignTN]

You read about soy beans and then the Trump derangement starts up. Some of you people love to dig up shit on Trump. But never a word from you guys when that nimrod we just had as a leader was doing nothing but dozing off and letting people in our country by the millions.

Your avatar is a naked man with a tiny penis riding a turtle. Are you serious? That is a perfect image of who's in charge now. Who's the nimrod with less than zero empathy nodding off during cabinet meetings now?

 

[TradeBalanceBoss]

"keep them from bolting (going to seed), once they start doing that, they start pulling those ground nutrient stores"

That is fascinating. We have timed nature down to knowing when it "bolts". Then hearing that we are spilling a bunch of milk because of over production. Milk is so expensive right now, I love milk.Z

Your avatar is a naked man with a tiny penis riding a turtle. Are you serious? That is a perfect image of who's in charge now. Who's the nimrod with less than zero empathy nodding off during cabinet meetings now?

TDS much?

 

[Johnny Best]

Your avatar is a naked man with a tiny penis riding a turtle. Are you serious? That is a perfect image of who's in charge now. Who's the nimrod with less than zero empathy nodding off during cabinet meetings now?

It’s a Tortoise not a Turtle, you are such a Trump derangement dipshit.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

That is fascinating. We have timed nature down to knowing when it "bolts". Then hearing that we are spilling a bunch of milk because of over production. Milk is so expensive right now, I love milk.Z

That's actually the least of it. There are diseases that we have an stupendously low chance of getting (the only reason it's not zero is that because there are individuals that are out there with unique conditions that make them at risk for such things, but we are talking low %s), but slaughter huge amounts of animals in due to one animal on a farm having it in a 50 mile radius.

There are a lot of other issues, but again, that's what happens with more bureaucracy, which there are a lot of people that are wanting, but considering the majority of people don't realize how agriculture is done, it's not all that surprising. I can't even say that it's with good intentions, some if it is just plain stupid (and people want more bureaucracy from people making rules that have no idea what is going on with the industries that they are regulating).

 

[ddarlak]

You just can't talk real with these people

 

[WildWestDesigns]

You just can't talk real with these people

I can't speak for everyone, but all I asked you was is it actually such a good thing to have, according to you:

Pre-2018, China bought up to two-thirds of U.S. exports....

Is that actually a good thing to have one customer that is supporting two thirds of one's business? Is it good to have one supplier, supplying that same amount of said business' inputs of production? Would anyone in here advocate for such a thing? Especially with a trade partnership that is one of convenience and nothing more. We have had a dubious relationship since the late 80s (I would say June 4, 1989 is when it started as far as the dubious nature of it). By the way pre-2019, China was the largest owner of US debt (I think it's the Japanese now). I would have more of a hard time with Canada and Mexico tariffs compared to China with regard to trade relationships, just because of tangential shared aspects and it wouldn't do them much good to put us through the ringer as that would leave them open to others.

Although, I wouldn't care who it was, I wouldn't want one major source of revenue (or inputs) to be from one foreign country, even if it was Canada or Mexico. The problem that we are experiencing right now, is directly related to that and liked I said, if it wasn't due to tariffs, it more likely would have been due to something else. Attack on a Brics nation (bombing in Iran would be one, supporting Ukraine (which Biden was a big supporter of) as they were up against Russia (another Brics member)). I don't have a problem with trade, but I don't care of it being sourced with just one country being the majority, especially one that isn't really committed to the benefit of their trade partner (I wouldn't expect them to).

However, I would point out that Biden had tariffs directed to China on: EVs, semiconductors, solar, steel, Li batteries, minerals and medical supplies (which if I'm not mistaken we have had a few recalls due to cancer concerns coming from that country of origin) and I'm sure I'm missing other stuff as well. So it's really not like any side is guilt free of the "trade wars".

 

[Stacey K]

Yeah, but at least we would be in control. Sales tax? Oh okay, I'll make everything for myself and buy less. Or buy things that last so you don't buy as much.

With how much taxes we pay our streets should be paved in gold, seriously. No one even can truly imagine how much one trillion dollars is.

The total amount of all taxes collected by federal, state, and local governments in the U.S. in 2022 was approximately $8.59 trillion.
This includes:

• $4.9 trillion in federal revenue (mainly income and payroll taxes),
• $2.13 trillion in state tax revenue,
• $1.56 trillion in local tax revenue.

Its a lot of money.

To give you some perspective:

The total market capitalization of all publicly traded companies in the U.S. is around $50 trillion, meaning $8.59 trillion could buy roughly 17% of all U.S. stocks.

It’s more than the annual GDP of every country except the U.S., China, and Germany.

You could buy all the gold in Fort Knox (worth ~$250 billion) over 34 times.

It’s enough to give every person in the U.S. (about 335 million) over $25,000.

You could purchase every professional sports franchise in the U.S. (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL) multiple times over and still have trillions left.

and lastly....

If you spent $1 million per day, it would take over 8,500 years to spend $8.59 trillion.

I'm certainly not arguing, property taxes in the town I just moved from went up a minimum of 14%. I make almost all my food from scratch, bread, pizza, etc. so I buy in bulk, have a garden, etc. I do a lot of sewing, recycling of different items, etc. (I still buy plenty of luxury items, because I'm worth it LOL) I would prefer not to pay property taxes or income taxes - or both and have higher sales tax instead. My sister just moved from WI to FL and prices are definitely higher! It was double for her to register is vehicle - but again, so you pay an extra $100 a year to register your vehicle, it's nothing compared to paying property or income tax. I had 3 school referendums on my tax bill from the city I moved from. The school tried pushing a 4th thru, it didn't pass. I don't want to get on that subject but geez, a very good chunk of my property taxes were a new football stadium, a new performing arts center, and no idea what the third one was. The city I moved to doesn't ask for such things, there's more people here and more lower income families, so the schools here go without the fancy stuff or they get donations from businesses. Many businesses went in together to donate a STEM wing on the 2 high schools, that is the kind stuff I can get fully behind. Private business donations for the good of the school and to help recruit future employees. Win-Win

 

[WildWestDesigns]

I don't want to get on that subject but geez, a very good chunk of my property taxes were a new football stadium, a new performing arts center, and no idea what the third one was.

I will. Fundamentally, that's a waste. They all have their place, but the fundamentals, especially as it relates to schooling should be take care of first. New football stadium is not one of those. At my school, didn't have a football team, did have a basketball team, but no court outside of a section of the parking lot with a basketball ring (no net) bolted to a live oak tree. All our games were away games. Now, it's fun stuff, that much I can say, but we are lacking so much in education, that the fundamentals have been lost (again, gotta love the bureaucracy that has gone into the education system (it didn't exist for a lot of my formative years, so it is possible to do with out it).

The city I moved to doesn't ask for such things, there's more people here and more lower income families, so the schools here go without the fancy stuff or they get donations from businesses. Many businesses went in together to donate a STEM wing on the 2 high schools, that is the kind stuff I can get fully behind. Private business donations for the good of the school and to help recruit future employees. Win-Win

As could I.

I make almost all my food from scratch, bread, pizza, etc. so I buy in bulk, have a garden, etc. I do a lot of sewing, recycling of different items, etc.

6th generation aggie. Gotta love it. I haven't actually had to get commercial seed in a long time as we go so far as to harvest seed stock for the next harvest.

 

[TradeBalanceBoss]

That's actually the least of it. There are diseases that we have an stupendously low chance of getting (the only reason it's not zero is that because there are individuals that are out there with unique conditions that make them at risk for such things, but we are talking low %s), but slaughter huge amounts of animals in due to one animal on a farm having it in a 50 mile radius.

There are a lot of other issues, but again, that's what happens with more bureaucracy, which there are a lot of people that are wanting, but considering the majority of people don't realize how agriculture is done, it's not all that surprising. I can't even say that it's with good intentions, some if it is just plain stupid (and people want more bureaucracy from people making rules that have no idea what is going on with the industries that they are regulating).

It's all so tiring. The human condition. Everyone out for themselves

I make almost all my food from scratch, bread, pizza, etc. so I buy in bulk, have a garden, etc. I do a lot of sewing, recycling of different items, etc. (I still buy plenty of luxury items, because I'm worth it LOL) I would prefer not to pay property taxes or income taxes - or both and have higher sales tax instead.

Me too

It really seems like we are giving less to the students and more and more to the teachers, principles, board members... All while the things that students actually learn plummets and Americans are called stupid and that we need to import H1B visa people to teach them...

 

[WildWestDesigns]

It's all so tiring. The human condition. Everyone out for themselves

When people offload responsibility that they themselves should have to others, the risk of abuse is that much more greater. There is nothing more inefficient compared to bureaucracy. There is zero incentive for it to be any other way, just people don't want responsibility. And we see inefficiencies when there are emergencies especially.

 

[TradeBalanceBoss]

"Basically the government funded NGOs are a way to do things that would be illegal if they were the government." 一 Elon Musk

https://x.com/cb_doge/status/2001646253655097726

I would go a step further to say that these NGOs were designed to steal the American tax dollars and make the country go into 35 trillion dollar deficit just so they can keep asking us to pay more taxes as if they don't have enough because there is a deficit. The CEOs of these "NGOs" make million dollar a year salaries and many of them are wives or husbands of people who work in the government.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

"Basically the government funded NGOs are a way to do things that would be illegal if they were the government." 一 Elon Musk

https://x.com/cb_doge/status/2001646253655097726

I would go a step further to say that these NGOs were designed to steal the American tax dollars and make the country go into 35 trillion dollar deficit just so they can keep asking us to pay more taxes as if they don't have enough because there is a deficit. The CEOs of these "NGOs" make million dollar a year salaries and many of them are wives or husbands of people who work in the government.

Businesses have been used to compel behaviors from it's citizens as well for a long time.

There was a very strongly worded "announcement" about 4-5 yrs ago, that was intimating that a certain mandate could be coming down the pipeline. It was just an announcement, what people/companies inferred from that was their own fallacy. It would have been beaten had it actually become a mandate. The irony is, corporations(especially ones that are publicly traded and are typically under heavy scrutiny) took that and ran with it as they very well could mandate such a thing within their own corporations. A little harder with those that had contracts, but hourly, lower level plebs, certainly could feel the brunt of it.

So no, using proxies is not outside the toolbox of tools to use to compel behavior and/or finances.

 

[Stacey K]

When people offload responsibility that they themselves should have to others, the risk of abuse is that much more greater. There is nothing more inefficient compared to bureaucracy. There is zero incentive for it to be any other way, just people don't want responsibility. And we see inefficiencies when there are emergencies especially.

This is why I like the idea of privatizing certain government departments or programs. A business owner only makes money if his business is efficient and the employees are doing their jobs correctly. They won't settle for poor performance, fraud or passing the buck.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

This is why I like the idea of privatizing certain government departments or programs. A business owner only makes money if his business is efficient and the employees are doing their jobs correctly. They won't settle for poor performance, fraud or passing the buck.

That's because the government has an incentive to be inefficient. Their budgets are determined by money spent, why we see things like absurdly priced goods, because they came under their budget and have to go over, otherwise next year's budget is going to be less. That's just one thing.

Another, we have state run grocery stores that are closing. People have had complaints have poor stocking of goods since it opened. Government isn't designed to be lean, because it doesn't have to worry as much as a traditional business about failing, if it failed, everyone in the country would be screwed.

Anyone here actually have a good experience at the DMV? Not to say that some businesses don't have bad customer service, but I have yet to have dealt with an efficiently run government entity that deals with us. I'm sure that there are some intergovernmental departments that do well.

 

[TradeBalanceBoss]

This is why I like the idea of privatizing certain government departments or programs. A business owner only makes money if his business is efficient and the employees are doing their jobs correctly. They won't settle for poor performance, fraud or passing the buck.

Yes

 

[Stacey K]

That's because the government has an incentive to be inefficient. Their budgets are determined by money spent, why we see things like absurdly priced goods, because they came under their budget and have to go over, otherwise next year's budget is going to be less. That's just one thing.

Another, we have state run grocery stores that are closing. People have had complaints have poor stocking of goods since it opened. Government isn't designed to be lean, because it doesn't have to worry as much as a traditional business about failing, if it failed, everyone in the country would be screwed.

Anyone here actually have a good experience at the DMV? Not to say that some businesses don't have bad customer service, but I have yet to have dealt with an efficiently run government entity that deals with us. I'm sure that there are some intergovernmental departments that do well.

I'd be curious to know which ones LOL There's a lot of room for streamlining within the government also, and I know they are working on some of that with DOGE. I suspect the DMV could be privatized rather easily. The post office is another beast that loses millions, if not billions a year (at least it was). All post offices, SSI buildings, Veteran clinics, etc. are all owned privately and leased by the government. I know DOGE found lots of empty or near empty office buildings in which we were still paying leases on. Post offices buildings are 30-year leases. Probably fine 30 years ago but with the advent of technology, the internet and smart phones, do we need all these buildings anymore? So much can be phases out, streamlined, etc. It's certainly a monstrous task.

 

[MikePro]

oh noooo! something happened?