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US Tariffs, Sigh!

Geneva Olson

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What is strange about "the way" I post? Is it because it is formatted so well? I'm in the sign business which is the communication business so I make sure my communication is very clear. The more clear it is the better communication works, as you should know being in the sign business as well...

It is very telling with where discourse is going these days. If you don't have a good argument against what someone is saying just call them a bot and be done with it.
Hey, so far, you've agreed with everything I say. But you keep posting information in a cut and paste format. In this day and age with technology, I don't take anything for granted. You haven't been great at posting and then suddenly you're posting in this thread. So it seems odd. Yea, I know this is a hot button topic, but it seems odd. Carry on, though. I'm not offended by what you have to say. Free speech.
 
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Geneva Olson

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The tariff comment perked my interest, so I thought I would chime in since I think that tariffs can be the way to remove income tax which is basically slavery.
personally I think you're right. That's why I asked the question: "would you rather pay taxes on what you earn or what you spend". Seems like a no brainer for me. You posted what i believe trump is trying to do. but I don't know where you got your information from. Can you post that?
 
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Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
Let's get back to the actual debate rather than saying who is intelligent or not. The fact is, I'm not a bot.
Just an observation. You don't contribute much to sign discussions but want to spew political stuff. I think there should be a rule that if you come here just to talk political, you get removed.
 
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ikarasu

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I made that proposal up myself (critique it, add or subtract from it yourself, please). It is basically my dream situation. I seriously think that if income tax was eliminated we would see true innovation and success that we have never seen before. I talk to people from all walks of life and some of the most intelligent people don't get to where they should be because of the thumb that going up in a tax bracket does. Just recently there was a guy I knew who backed out of a position in local government because the small pay that he was getting from it was messing with his veteran retirement benefits. He was perfect for the job and was doing it for low pay to boot. Income tax messes up society in ways that aren't even thought of.

I also think Trump is gearing up to get rid of income tax. He has publicly said so himself.
Did you use AI / Chatgpt at all? The reason I agreed with the bot comment is after reading your first few posts... I thought the same thing, it felt like an AI with the way things were summarized and laid out. Thats why I ran it through a AI checker... It said it couldn't find anything AI related, so I never mentioned it. It still looks AI to me... and to be honest, most bots are trained to carry on conversations and act exactly like you're acting now...

I think you can agree that your account being created in 2021, having zero posts about signs... then all of a sudden you start posting political stuff... is kind of suspicious. Theres Thousands of bots on forums and twitter parroting key "Hot topics" for both the left and the right... With the sole purpose of sowing discord between the left and right. I've been at 50/50 on whether you are one or not... But I havent personally seen bots, so who knows.

But it really doesn't matter, You can be a bot...you can copy paste from ChatGPT Or whatever - So long as your information is accurate. Take it as a compliment, the way your posts are formatted and written up have near zero errors, theyre neatly written, IF You werent posting so much other stuff in this thread and it was mainly the articles / searches and your proposal, I'd bet my last $100 you're a bot. But Now I'm more 70/30 against you being one.
 

nssignguy

New Member
After all this talk in this thread, I must be missing something because I am a dumb Canadian!!

So Trump wants to get rid of all income tax, ok great. Then get all the the income the government needs from tariffs, ok, sounds plausible I guess. But he also wants all goods to be made in the US which in theory should decrease imports, which also decreases tariffs. So how do they fund the government? What I am missing????
 
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Geneva Olson

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I would have read it.
I know. but in truth, its a sign forum not a political one. yea tariffs affect us. but we've all gone way off topic on this thread and trying to get back to some sort of normalcy while still working with people on the forum is what I would like to do. I think there are a couple of bridges that have been burned here. I'm trying to abstain from my political views here. Part of me can't help it because this political playing field is as spicy as who shot jr and luke and laura running off together.
and, tbh, I was a teacher who witnessed the indoctrination piece. and blew the whistle on my school. so I know what it feels like to get stuck in a corner until retirement because you don't "play well" with the rest of the group.
 

Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
Well I for surely have benefited from the sign discussions. Tell you what, I'll start posting sign discussion stuff too, I have a lot of knowledge about that subject. And hey, if you ever need any design work I can help you with that, there is no project too big or small.
No thanks, we've all see the "designs" that AI has come up with.
 
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GAC05

Quit buggin' me
In this day and age, someone can identify as anything they want, even human.
preferred pronouns
byte/me
 
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JamesLam

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So if tariffs do actually deter people from buying foreign imports, and domestic production can't fill the consumer's needs quick enough, will those with cash in their pocket just spend on something else? If that's the case where will their money flow, travel, more on dining, clothes, or other short-term feel-good purchases?

Possibly countries like the US and Canada are headed toward the European model where more and more rent instead of buying. Leading to a scaled down (more minimalist) lifestyle as they may not have the control over housing and other expenses as they would have if they could afford to buy and payoff a home.

Will there be a greater shift toward smaller, short-term and/or experiential purchases which may add to further declines in domestic manufacturing.
 

Gino

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His death actually affected people in my town and county. Many of the local shows of radio hosts and guests who take their show on the road are now drawing back. If you have some d!ickwad in the audience who doesn't agree with you on whatever topic, they could get shot or any number of consequences. People all over are becoming afraid. I totally understand. Look at this place. I consider this a very very good sign site, but now that the NHB and many conversations/threads which go political have severed lotsa of people here helping each other, let along all the name calling and p!ssy attitudes have come about..... it's about time we start reuniting and leave our baggage off the keyboard.
 
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ikarasu

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The government didn't fire him. This was a business decision by his network based on ethics and economics. His show had low ratings and was losing money.

The real issue is celebrating someone's assassination and seeing nothing wrong with that behavior. It's a matter of basic morality and treating others the way you'd want to be treated.

There's an important distinction here: words are not the same as violence, but celebrating actual violence crosses a clear ethical line.
Can you show me where he celebrated it?

He posted on Instagram that his thoughts and prayers go out to his family.
.the comment that got him fired was him saying the right blamed the left immediately when the guy wasn't even a democrat.


Donyou think trump didn't pressure them to fire him? Like his latest tweet about the 2 who are next? Or Colbert? Trump's admin is threatening them with sanctions and fines.. trump didn't go over there and fire him himself, but he was the one behind it.
 
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Geneva Olson

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late night talk shows are supposed to be fun and funny and meant for people to relax after a long hard day at work. They aren't meant to stir the political pot.
There's been this "us" vs "them" mentality since Trump entered the political spectrum.
It's frustrating to me that we aren't allowed to bring up anything negative about the "trans movement". Yet people want to scream that free speech is dead? I haven't been able to say what I have really thought about the trans movement without being censored (or completely kicked off of platforms). Because people think I'm a "transphobe". There's no phobia to thinking that trans people need mental health help. But as soon as people hear that, they go nuts thinking I'm somehow disrespecting a trans person.

Now, the left is up in arms because they're being stifled about divisive comments toward charlie kirks assassination....welcome to putting the shoe on the other foot.
 

ikarasu

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late night talk shows are supposed to be fun and funny and meant for people to relax after a long hard day at work. They aren't meant to stir the political pot.
There's been this "us" vs "them" mentality since Trump entered the political spectrum.
It's frustrating to me that we aren't allowed to bring up anything negative about the "trans movement". Yet people want to scream that free speech is dead? I haven't been able to say what I have really thought about the trans movement without being censored (or completely kicked off of platforms). Because people think I'm a "transphobe". There's no phobia to thinking that trans people need mental health help. But as soon as people hear that, they go nuts thinking I'm somehow disrespecting a trans person.

Now, the left is up in arms because they're being stifled about divisive comments toward charlie kirks assassination....welcome to putting the shoe on the other foot.
I publicly posted on this forum how i felt about trans athletes, if someone wants to "cancel" me... So be it. Now how would you feel if your boss (I know you don't have one, but if you did) read your comment and fired you because of what you just said? Or if a political appointment pushed for you to be fired because of it?

Cancel culture all around is bad, on the left side and on the right side... And everywhere in-between. But just because one side has prominently been doing it... Doesn't mean it's ok for the other to start as well.

If the right wants to inspire to be snowflakes and push for people to get fired because they don't like what someone said... It makes you no better than the thing you hate.

Not directing this part at you, it's more general - Kimmel only said that the moment Kirk was shot, mega was saying it was radical left's who did it... Then it came out that the guys family is republican, he was raised as Republican, etc. He didn't diss kirk... Didn't say Kirk deserved It.... He actually came out saying he's praying for Kirk's family, when a lot of people were raging over anyone who sympathized with Kirk. I could maybe see why he'd get fired if he said or acted anyway against Kirk, but he didn't..

Then hours after he's fired... Trump calls for 2 other hosts who are anti-relublican to also be fired, and says he may start pulling broadcasting licenses from stations that are "against me"

I don't get how anyone can spin that as not being censorship at it's worst. Even if you don't like the networks, imagine if a democrat threatened all Republican leaning news stations. Free speech is important, with no free speech youre just hearing 1 viewpoint... People are, or should be able to express their thoughts and opinions without fear of being retaliated against, whether it's trans issues, political issues, or anything inbetween.

Again.. if you just straight out said trans people are gross and they should go get lethal injections, thats a little different. And if someone said Charlie Kirk was pro gun, so they're glad he died by a gun and its "worth it", thats also different.


We live in a society that has 10,000 tv channels, if you don't like what someone is saying or doing, watch something else. The freedom to say and express how you feel is something America's always had right - and Republicans historically have always been very pro free speech, it's one thing I liked about them and hated about the left.... Canceling a matte rife for making a domestic abuse joke, or Dave chappel over a transgender joke, people need to lighten up and stop being such snowflakes.
 
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