US Tariffs, Sigh!

[Gino]

making fresh meals involve inmigrants working on the fields..... if they do not do the job, who will?

Actually..... around where I live the dutchies raise about 99% of the meat, vegetables and most anything you need to make any kinda meal. Trucking is not involved and when ya don't have electric in your house, they're making their own work force at night. That's shopping at the markets and local stores. If you go into the grocery chains and the likes, then ya get the kinda stuff you're talking about.

 

[Geneva Olson]

These tariffs are a joke, they were put in place just so orange clown can later take them away claiming some fictitious hugely big win. He loves nothing more than to blow his ego up and be loved by nitwits.

The man went bankrupt 6 frickin times, he is not smart. He just knows how to swindle brainless rednecks.

Tariffs have been around for a really long time and we use tariffs with or without trump. He's using them as leverage and it worked.
You claim that he's blowing up his ego, but the man has just survived around 10 years of political abuse and he's done more in 2 weeks than biden did during his entire presidency.
There are also different forms of bankruptcy. Many businesses use bankrupcty to reorganize and restructure corporations. I believe that's what he did.

There's also a really great article in usa today (several years old) about his over 4000 court cases and the outcomes. Despite what the media has told you, he's a pretty savvy and well respected businessman in the business world. In fact, the one lawsuit about the valuation of maralago, the deutsch bank stated that they would give him money regardless of the valuation of maralago because he was a good risk and would pay back the loan. But that part never hit the media.

I'm really really really tired of all of the hatred for a man for no reason. He's literally working for the american people. which is what we hired him to do.

 

[Stacey K]

Actually..... around where I live the dutchies raise about 99% of the meat, vegetables and most anything you need to make any kinda meal. Trucking is not involved and when ya don't have electric in your house, they're making their own work force at night. That's shopping at the markets and local stores. If you go into the grocery chains and the likes, then ya get the kinda stuff you're talking about.

Funny you bring this up. I was just told yesterday by a builder customer that the Amish in my area are expanding their businesses exponentially into the home building and roofing areas. The ones I make signage for are SMART. They have excellent work ethic and all their kids are up on ladders helping. We don't have near as many as you do in PA but they certainly have year-round stores with home-made goods, etc. We also have a lot of farmers markets here. Mostly white folks with a couple Hmong families.

Maybe the Amish are smarter than we think...a perfect time for them to enter the main-stream building and farming industries. The ones here are allowed to use electricity for work but not at home.

 

[CanuckSigns]

You act as if americans can't work in fields.

They absolutely can, but will they?

 

[guillermo]

You act as if americans can't work in fields.

people from Mexico all the way to Argentina are all americans......
there is a ranch in Bakersfield where they need people to work on the fields, but ONLY american inmigrants (from Mexico and Central America) apply to work, the owner actually said that not other people apply to these jobs.

 

[guillermo]

They absolutely can, but will they?

that is my point....... it is claimed that inmigrants come to take other people's jobs, but the true is that they come to do the jobs "THEY" do not do or do not want to do.

 

[Geneva Olson]

They absolutely can, but will they?

Of course they will.

 

[Geneva Olson]

people from Mexico all the way to Argentina are all americans......
there is a ranch in Bakersfield where they need people to work on the fields, but ONLY american inmigrants (from Mexico and Central America) apply to work, the owner actually said that not other people apply to these jobs.

Relax puddin, I'm not trying to step on south americans or mexicans.

And if you don't know why they are the only people applying for those jobs then you don't understand what's been happening in america. They have been the only ones applying for those jobs FOR YEARS. It's not a new development.
My family is from the valley in Texas. We've always worked right alongside the mexicans that work for my uncles and cousins.

 

[Geneva Olson]

that is my point....... it is claimed that inmigrants come to take other people's jobs, but the true is that they come to do the jobs "THEY" do not do or do not want to do.

who's complaining about immigrants taking other people's jobs away? My family needs those immigrants to work with them. I guarantee you that the owners of the land don't feel the way you are "claiming"

 

[unclebun]

They absolutely can, but will they?

If we stop paying them more to not work and collect from the government teat than they can get working, then they will either resort to crime or go to work.

 

[unclebun]

I'm pretty sure the illegal immigrants being rounded up in Chicago or New York aren't picking lettuce or avocados.

 

[JamesLam]

Actually..... around where I live the dutchies raise about 99% of the meat, vegetables and most anything you need to make any kinda meal. Trucking is not involved and when ya don't have electric in your house, they're making their own work force at night. That's shopping at the markets and local stores. If you go into the grocery chains and the likes, then ya get the kinda stuff you're talking about.

The original 'preppers'.

 

[guillermo]

Let's talk about more serious stuff, like who is gonna get control of the panama canal........ us or the chinese ??

The Panamanians, they own the canal, nobody else

 

[guillermo]

The President said if they don't cooperate he will build a new canal, around Panama.

Who is going to let him build it, Costa Rica or Colombia?

 

[guillermo]

I haven't seen a white man with a roofing hammer in his hand around here for years now and same goes for concrete, masonry and landscaping. And the only reason we're still working in electrical, plumbing and HVAC is because you got to be licenced to pull wire, lay pipe and pump Freon.

We just lost a chicken pant here that employed over 400 people, mostly Hispanic. Said company employees over 10,000 corporate wide. They cited the equipment as too old to be updated, but their decision could have been influenced by the promises our county Sheriff has been making for years now about "sending them all back home". He's backtracking somewhat now, as that community is decimated and all those tax dollars the chicken factory had contributed are gone.

So, yes I do honestly believe my own anecdotal evidence, especially when the the vast majority of economists, both professionals and scholars, recognize and understand how important immigrant labor is to our economy.

As far as tariffs: If your supplies and overhead cost more, then charge more. It's Capitalism 101.

that is exactly what many people in governments do not admit......... as I said before, how will do the crops if the send back all the immigrants working on the fields.

 

[guillermo]

My understanding is the whole point of threatening tariffs is to get these other countries to provide better border control and stop letting all the immigrants and fentanyl into the US. As long as they agree and do their part there's no tariffs.

I think that's 100% fair and only benefits all of us.

immigrants are all over the world, fentanyl, is consumed in the us, then, it has to be imported, from anywhere.

 

[guillermo]

You're literally so far removed from this issue being in Canada, that you are going on the news alone. Your argument has nothing to do with the illegal immigration that has taken place over the past 4 years. We have upwards of 30million illegals who have crossed just since biden came into office. They are the ones in the sanctuary cities that are draining our public resources. That's the people they are focusing on getting rid of first.

The migrant workers who come over here and send money back to families are not the ones they are trying to remove.

that is a lie..... according to the last census, there are about 11 millions illegals, they definitely did not come in 4 years.

 

[guillermo]

who's complaining about immigrants taking other people's jobs away? My family needs those immigrants to work with them. I guarantee you that the owners of the land don't feel the way you are "claiming"

probably, but that is what it has been said for many years, from the government, always, before elections.

 

[CanuckSigns]

My understanding is the whole point of threatening tariffs is to get these other countries to provide better border control and stop letting all the immigrants and fentanyl into the US. As long as they agree and do their part there's no tariffs.

I think that's 100% fair and only benefits all of us.

All those illegal canadians sneaking into the states to take advantage of the social programs, not to mention the tens of pounds of fentanyl that crosses the northern border every year...

Just yesterday before Trump paused the tariffs, he started on a tangent about Canada not allowing American banks into the country which is 100% false, we use Chase as our merchant processor and I have a citi bank credit card in my wallet right now. This was never about the border, it was just a fabricated emergency so he could use an executive order and bypass the usual checks and balances. Trump has done more for Canadian unity in the last week than any Canadian politician has done in 40 years, so thanks I guess...

 

[Geneva Olson]

that is a lie..... according to the last census, there are about 11 millions illegals, they definitely did not come in 4 years.

Not a lie. Marco Rubioyesterday, confirmed the number I quoted to you. This administration is on tv constantly telling us what's happening.