Johnny Best
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So, could you guys explain the $100 bet again about who thinks the court will allow the tariff or who thinks they will reject them.
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US Tariffs, Sigh!
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My $100 says the court is going to rule the tariffs illegal... vs mikes $100 bet saying theyre going to allow them.
XtremeXccessories
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I know that's your thoughts, that's what my yikes was in reference to, your thoughts.
Texas_Signmaker
Very Active Signmaker
Trump made a good argument for tariffs in that 60 minutes interview last week. Said it's really the only fast and effective way to respond to other countries. They can move fast and we don't want it taking an act of congress to impose a tariff
TarrifBoy123
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Yes, the president needs to be able to counter tariffs of other countries in a timely manner.
TarrifBoy123
New Member
I wonder what Mike is going to buy with the $100 he wins from you.
Johnny Best
Active Member
Is Ikarisu paying with Canadian money or US?
TarrifBoy123
New Member
That is a very good question because both the US dollar and the Canadian dollar use the $ sign. It was a Canadian who started the bet so it could be presumed that it would be in Canadian dollars. Would Ikarisu like to stipulate?
if I win, USD, if I lose, CAD
He is allowed to under the trade act... but it has its limitations.
He didn't use the trade act for most though because of the 150 day limitation - instead he's using IEEPA, which was never intended to be used for tariffs, and was intended to be used for Emergencies... Even if the USA was getting screwed on every single trade deal with every single country, it wouldn't be an emergency... At least not the way IEEPA was intended. Theres a very good chance al IEEPA tariffs get thrown out the window - He's enacted some tariffs via other acts, I believe some under the trade act.... I'm betting those stay, until its past the 150 days, in which it'll goto court if he tries to skirt the congress rule... which I'm sure he will. That, or he'll drop the tarrifs on day 149 and re-impose them
My biggest gripe about Trump is he's not a politician, he's a real estate mogul. He doesn't know the proper way to do things, and thats why half his shit ends up in court battles.... Whether what he's doing should be done or not, he's not going about it the proper, legal way - And it ends up being a mockery of the whole seperation of power and 3 parts of government thing.... I'm sure every president thinks his powers being limited by congress / the supreme court are pesky and wish they could bypass it... He's just one of the first to openly do it so much and hope it gets past.
I'm writing thoughts, quoting actual parts of the law, not copying chatgtp answers.
MikePro
Active Member
lol. a president is not a politician.
...got it.
How many us Presidents had no political experience such as Congress or Senate, or was a mayor, or any other political experience before becoming a president?
He's a politician by definition, but he doesn't know how to be political, or do things the legal way.
TarrifBoy123
New Member
"Trump is he's not a politician" -- Exactly why he is the perfect person for the job, we need more people like this in government. Politicians just tell you what you want to hear. Hence why you like them. I'm here to tell you what the facts are, which is why you call me a bot AI, lol -- The founders of the USA were not politicians, in fact they were businessmen just like Trump. Many owned large estates or businesses, though some were more successful than others. They were generally men of property and education from the upper classes of colonial society.
"ends up in court battles" -- because the haters are going to hate but the truth always comes out and WINS.
- George Washington - plantation owner (very wealthy landowner and farmer)
- Thomas Jefferson - plantation owner, lawyer, and architect
- Benjamin Franklin - printer, publisher, inventor, and businessman
"ends up in court battles" -- because the haters are going to hate but the truth always comes out and WINS.
MikePro
Active Member
more than 10 percent. google is free ya know.
Names such as taylor, grant, hoover, taft, & eisenhower come to mind.
oh and that pesky George Washington. ...but of course someone living under the thumb of a monarchy wouldn't think much of him.
ALEXA! What is the definition of a politician?
sooooo a decade in politics, AND holding the highest elected office in the country TWICE, doesn't make you a politician? got it.
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Boudica
I'm here for Educational Purposes
According to Wikipedia:
Five presidents had never been elected to public office before becoming president: Zachary Taylor, Ulysses S. Grant, Herbert Hoover, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Donald Trump. Most of these had, however, been appointed to several prominent offices. Hoover's contributions toward the Treaty of Versailles preceded his appointment as United States Secretary of Commerce. Taylor, Grant, and Eisenhower led U.S. forces to victory in the Mexican–American War, American Civil War, and World War II, respectively – each occupying the highest-ranking command post of their time. Trump is the group's sole exception, having never held any public office nor any military position.
TarrifBoy123
New Member
People who have no other real world experience other than politics "Professional Politicians" (people who go from law school or political science degrees straight into legislative staff positions, then run for office, and never work outside government) are why things are so wasteful and not even close to how good things should be. They are making laws for things that they have absolutely no experience in.
Government of, by, and for the people has become a government of, by, and for a professional political class.
Of course it still can be fixed. The USA still has the constitution and the bill of rights. Trump is a start but there still is a lot of work to do. The Constitution and Bill of Rights weren't designed for a professional political class. The Founders themselves were trying to prevent a permanent ruling class detached from the people. The Constitution has survived much worse than a disconnected political class. The system can self-correct, but it requires citizens who understand their rights and responsibilities under it. the U.S.A. is unique in this.