dypinc
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Only the tariffs that got imposed under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. The rest are still good.
I have not read the full thing yet, but all of the summaries are saying that tariffs just got ruled illegal
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US Tariffs, Sigh!
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Boudica
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It was breaking news on the tv this morning. Five or 6 (?) of the justices found that they were unconstitutional. 3 dissented.
I have not read the full thing yet, but all of the summaries are saying that tariffs just got ruled illegal
Which is pretty much every tariff trump has set. He used ieep to enact almost everyone, otherwise tariffs are supposed to go through Congress.
TradeBalanceBoss
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TradeBalanceBoss
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At least now there's precedent that it's illegal, and the lower courts can put a stop to this one without it having to go up to the higher courts.
I don't get you guys. What he's doing is illegal - it was ruled with a pretty large majority that it's illegal. Yet you still cheer him on to continue doing illegal stuff.
You argued he had every legal right to do it - the courts which are 6 republican, majority appointed, say otherwise... Now it's "lolz hes ignoring the courts and imposing more tariffs" ; That's not patriotic, that's being brainwashed.
Again, you can think tariffs are great for the country, you can think the president should have the right to impose them - but in the USA, he does not, and having him shit all over the constitution and ignore the laws makes you less patriotic then the "crybabys" you guys hate.
I don't get you guys. What he's doing is illegal - it was ruled with a pretty large majority that it's illegal. Yet you still cheer him on to continue doing illegal stuff.
You argued he had every legal right to do it - the courts which are 6 republican, majority appointed, say otherwise... Now it's "lolz hes ignoring the courts and imposing more tariffs" ; That's not patriotic, that's being brainwashed.
Again, you can think tariffs are great for the country, you can think the president should have the right to impose them - but in the USA, he does not, and having him shit all over the constitution and ignore the laws makes you less patriotic then the "crybabys" you guys hate.
TradeBalanceBoss
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I can't tell if you are talking about Biden. You do know it is 2026 and Biden isn't president anymore right?
If you watch Trumps latest news conferences...you have to see something is going on with him too. I've said it before, and I'll say it again.... People who are almost 80 should not be elected in office. Being the president is a lot of work - it takes a toll on your mental, and physical health... it's stressful.... Then attempting to do it during the last years of your life when your body is shutting down? Not sure how anyone sees that as a good idea. Biden hit the dimentia train faster and younger than trump - And in his first term, trump seemed ok - A bit crazy, but he was all mentally there - His tweets and news conferences show otherwise now though.... He's not all gone, and maybe not even as gone as biden was before he stepped out of the election - But trump is getting there... He seems ok most days, but theres been more and more days where he seems like he's on the line between ok and having dimentia. Age is a fickle beast... And no matter how rich you are, you can't outrun it...with how fast he seems to be progressing with whatever is afflicting him, I'd be surprised if he makes it the full term before he steps down as well.
TradeBalanceBoss
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Something is very fishy in the Supreme Court. In my opinion, I think something was exposed about the Supreme Court here. The decision is so outlandish.
As I laid out before there should have been no way that they ruled against the tariffs. How can other countries leaders put tariffs on the USA but the USA isn't able to put tariffs on other countries. It is ridiculous on its face. Justice Thomas's dissent is the cleanest statement of constitutional philosophy in this case. It isn't just a disagreement about tariffs, it is a totally different view of how much freedom Congress can give the president in foreign economic policy. Many lawyers think his position is internally consistent even though the majority very strangely rejected it (I mean you literally must hate the USA to reject it, either that or be compromised).
Thomas's argument is super simple: Congress already gave the president extremely broad emergency economic powers in IEEPA and tariffs fit naturally inside them.
IEEPA allows the president to “regulate… importation” during national emergencies.
I would say that the BEST way to regulate imports is with tariffs... duh.
Also, Thomas made a very blunt point that tariffs don't implicate fundamental rights and the courts should be especially reluctant to block them. This is in sharp contrast to the majority saying that it is a structural constitutional issue.
Simply put.... HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE!? that the President can embargo imports entirely... but cannot impose a tax on imports?
In the decision they made the Supreme Court is teetering on making law instead of what they should be doing, which is upholding the existing law.
Hah, I highly doubt you have ever watched a full Trump talk. You are just looking at edited 2 second sound bites. I watch most of his full talks because he is hilarious and to get a sense of what is really going on. He speaks off the cuff and give a lot of good information in between his jokes and berating of the fake news that you so ever love, lol
TradeBalanceBoss
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KEYSER SOZE
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Hey T Boy, thank god you're back.
We've missed your copy/paste wankery - always great for a laugh in the morning over here.
You pathetic little plonker.
By the way I thought all politics/religion was being vetted now...........
We've missed your copy/paste wankery - always great for a laugh in the morning over here.
You pathetic little plonker.
By the way I thought all politics/religion was being vetted now...........
Whats fishy? The supreme court is there to enforce the law, and interpret the law... Theyre not there to change the law. Thats what congress / the president is for.
Unless when they were writing the constitution they misspelled president, I don't see how anyone can think the supreme court is wrong - Thats why I bet $100... pretty much every single legal scholar said the same thing - Trump does not have the authority to set tariffs in the way that he did. You cant just cry national emergency so you can invoke an act in the way it wasnt meant to be invoked.
Congress gave the president VERY limited authority into what he can tariff.
If America wants the president to have the authority to tariff based on some tweet he's angry about, they need to change the law the proper, legal way.... The president is the highest authority in the Country... somewhat, even in the world - A president should be presidential and not trying to skirt around rules and regulations, especially of the country he swore to serve. Fighting for the authority to impose tarifs is probably an uphill, losing battle - but its still the proper way to do it... And no matter how much you think the law should be different, or how much he thinks his powers should be different.... simply ignoring the law as it stands is not something anyone should do, especially a president.
I'm willing to bet $100 again that these new tariffs get stricken down too. The law he just imposed them under allows them for 150 days.... legally he cant "reset" those 150 days - he needs congress to approve any additional time after 150 days... again, another thing in the trade act that was passed... this is what the law is, So he cant simply keep resetting it, even though I'm sure he'll try. Technically the act isnt meant for broad tariffs either - so he's going to get challenged in court again... And its very likely that the lower courts will strike it down, and it'll goto the supreme court again, even before the 150 days are up - and the court will again point out how the law is very specific, and he cant just ignore the law to get his way...and it'll be stricken down.
as for regulating importation during national emergencies... The key word there is national emergency.... If russia attacked USA and he imposed tariffs on them for it - I'm sure thatd fall under IEEPA. If he says "omg, russia is selling us their vodka for 50% less than we can make it... national emergency" everyone will laugh at what a crackhead he's being, and it'll get stricken down in court. You can't call a non existent trade imbalance a national emergency and try to tariff the world.... Thats not WHY congress delegated some of their tariff powers away - thats just abuse of authority, authority he doesnt have.
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Some of you guys need to settle down with your politics,
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TradeBalanceBoss
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It isn't me living rent free in your head... is it?
Sounds like you are front England or maybe Australia. What do you care about what the USA is doing with it's own imports? Worry about your own imports -- Here you go buddy https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentar.../section?id=committees/reportjnt/024012/24260
TradeBalanceBoss
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Congress gave the power to the President to ---- "IEEPA allows the president to “regulate… importation” during national emergencies."
With this ruling the Supreme Court is clearly making law NOT interpreting the law.
The President of the United States of America is doing what the PEOPLE OF the United States of America elected him to do. We want fair and balanced trade. When another country is putting tariffs on us then we will tariff right back. Even when other countries skirt around the language of the tariff such as how europe is doing VAT --that is a tariff with a different name. We elected our President not only to fix the imbalance in trade, but also to fix many other things, which he IS doing. But it seems that the "fishy" UN-ELECTED in our government are fighting what the CITIZENS of the United States of America want.
The one thing you are right about is that Congress just needs to make it a law that the President does or does not have these powers. They need to stop being lazy. It is well known that Congress is too slow to handle tariff maters and logically it SHOULD be the Executive Branch (The President) that handles this for speedy response in equal proportion to what other countries do to us. We can't deal with our hands tied behind our back. Ridiculous to think that should be normal to fight with your hands tied behind your back (this would be a backward way of thinking which reminds me of a certain type of person)
Everything you say is wrong. Here is your non-existent trade imbalance - https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade
I'm starting to think you hate the USA for some reason. Could you elaborate on that?
National emergencies are not just for kinetic war.
Judges that try to make law instead of uphold law should be impeached immediately. Congress needs to get on it NOW.
Oh, and aren't you from Canada? https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/menu-eng.html
You keep saying that any other country can tariff whenever they want... Which is pretty much just parroting trump. The only two countries I'm aware of where the president has the authority to do it himself would be China and russia, are you saying you want America to be like China or russia?
Almost every other country gives the president limited authority just like America does to impose tariffs, and under very specific conditions - not a single one of them aside from China and Russia can a president wake up and decide to add an additional five or 10% tariff because he feels like it like Trump is trying to do. Canada has very similar restrictions to imposing tariffs as America does. If carrney woke up today and said he's imposing 15% tariffs on America, and try to use one of the limited authorities he has in order to oppose them... When his reasoning you had nothing to do with the ACT he was putting the tariffs in there, it would not have to sit around for a year waiting for the supreme Court... Our house would do its job and tell him no he does not have the power to do it.
I don't hate america, I hate the people that are shitting all over the laws and Constitution of america, letting it happen, or just spouting nonsense and having hissy fits when they don't get their way. America's being run by a toddler that thinks he can get his way whether it's against the law or whether he has the authority to do it. It should not be up to the supreme Court to decide his tariffs were illegal, if people weren't turning a blind eye and held him accountable, it would never have gotten this far.
Almost every other country gives the president limited authority just like America does to impose tariffs, and under very specific conditions - not a single one of them aside from China and Russia can a president wake up and decide to add an additional five or 10% tariff because he feels like it like Trump is trying to do. Canada has very similar restrictions to imposing tariffs as America does. If carrney woke up today and said he's imposing 15% tariffs on America, and try to use one of the limited authorities he has in order to oppose them... When his reasoning you had nothing to do with the ACT he was putting the tariffs in there, it would not have to sit around for a year waiting for the supreme Court... Our house would do its job and tell him no he does not have the power to do it.
I don't hate america, I hate the people that are shitting all over the laws and Constitution of america, letting it happen, or just spouting nonsense and having hissy fits when they don't get their way. America's being run by a toddler that thinks he can get his way whether it's against the law or whether he has the authority to do it. It should not be up to the supreme Court to decide his tariffs were illegal, if people weren't turning a blind eye and held him accountable, it would never have gotten this far.
TradeBalanceBoss
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"I don't hate america, I hate the people that are shitting all over the laws and Constitution of america, letting it happen, or just spouting nonsense and having hissy fits when they don't get their way." --- So when we impeach these judges that are making law instead of upholding the law THEN what will your song that you are singing be?
We need free and fair balanced trade here in the USA. Our manufacturing has been devastated, our citizens are paying more taxes than any other country by a landslide. We elected Trump to do exactly what he is doing. There are some things that I don't agree with but when he finds out that the citizens don't agree with it he really does listen. Unfortunately he is surrounded by a bunch of US Citizen hating un-elected bureaucrats in government that work to sabotage the America First initiative which is considering the needs of the citizens of the USA before the rest of the world (you know, the ones that are actually paying for it all).
We need free and fair balanced trade here in the USA. Our manufacturing has been devastated, our citizens are paying more taxes than any other country by a landslide. We elected Trump to do exactly what he is doing. There are some things that I don't agree with but when he finds out that the citizens don't agree with it he really does listen. Unfortunately he is surrounded by a bunch of US Citizen hating un-elected bureaucrats in government that work to sabotage the America First initiative which is considering the needs of the citizens of the USA before the rest of the world (you know, the ones that are actually paying for it all).
TradeBalanceBoss
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"Almost every other country gives the president limited authority just like America does to impose tariffs, and under very specific conditions - not a single one of them aside from China and Russia can a president wake up and decide to add an additional five or 10% tariff because he feels like it like Trump is trying to do. Canada has very similar restrictions to imposing tariffs as America does."
WRONG
Once again you are spouting a lie. The authority for Canada to impose tariffs on imported goods is established in the Customs Tariff Act, specifically under Section 53, which grants the Governor in Council (federal cabinet) the power to impose duties, surtaxes, and trade measures.
The FEDERAL CABINET...
Additionally, the way that Canada's government is set up, the Canadian Prime Minister and Cabinet wield significant control over legislation due to party discipline, giving them more direct legislative influence than the U.S. President. --- So basically Canada is closer to Russia China style than the USA in the way their leadership makes decisions.
WRONG
Once again you are spouting a lie. The authority for Canada to impose tariffs on imported goods is established in the Customs Tariff Act, specifically under Section 53, which grants the Governor in Council (federal cabinet) the power to impose duties, surtaxes, and trade measures.
The FEDERAL CABINET...
Additionally, the way that Canada's government is set up, the Canadian Prime Minister and Cabinet wield significant control over legislation due to party discipline, giving them more direct legislative influence than the U.S. President. --- So basically Canada is closer to Russia China style than the USA in the way their leadership makes decisions.