Discussion I WILL NEVER SHOW OFF A HOME MADE PROJECT AGAIN

[netsol]

watch the video
seeing the finish quality of this guy's work is amazing
best use of 15 minutes you may ever have

jburton, you are probably the most experienced machinist on this site, what do you think?

(i can never cut a perfectly straight line, without making a jig first)

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

Don't they sell those?

 

[netsol]

just making me re-evaluate the finish quality of my home made projects (they are all functional, but this guy raises the bar a bit...)

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Don't they sell those?

I think that there is something to be said for coming up with your own stuff with what you have laying around and repurposing it. Especially in a time supply, inflation, stagflation concerns (and maybe one other concern as well).

Although I do think that there are slight physical differences, if I'm assuming the correct brand, but rather or not those differences mean a whole lot, I reckon that would fall under "well that depends".

 

[netsol]

i really enjoy modifying EVERYTHING we own, converting our wide format printers to hold 3 rolls of vinyl, making the material change a simple issue, chemistry changes on the printers,
adding guide platforms to the laminators.

HOWEVER

the finish quality of my work is not often confused with a factory modification

 

[WildWestDesigns]

the finish quality of my work is not often confused with a factory modification

Finish quality wasn't what I was alluding to, more over gearing, length of parts etc. Differences that may not be in a comparable commercial product as well (due to price points or whatever).

As to finish build quality, if this is in house, not showing off, get work done, I think people focus too much on that. If one is trying to sell what they are retro fitting (or kits etc), that is totally different, but if it holds up, not a safety risk, I wouldn't worry about it nearly as much. And it's really hard, unless one has all the other tools, to make a retro fit look like factory finish.

Although speaking to this:

i really enjoy modifying EVERYTHING we own,

It depresses me seeing people just take things as they are sold or what someone else makes (now some of this could be related to the lack of repair ability that we have as well and how few people seem to care about that nowadays) and just run with it. And I'm not just talking about physical stuff, but digital as well. I hate seeing that quoted spirit seem to disappear, but maybe I'm just getting too damn old, I dunno.

 

[Gino]

Wild, I understand your point, but if it is already made, wouldn't that be a better deal for so many reasons ??

Most likely more sturdy and better built.
Ya don't hafta pre-figure all the spces with guesswork.
It's probably guaranteed.
Insurance will probably cover you should something go wrong.
Hardly anyone has all the tools to fab something like that.
Last,, if you have all those tools, you most likely already have what you wanna make.

As for a votech school project, I can see trying it.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Wild, I understand your point, but if it is already made, wouldn't that be a better deal for so many reasons ??

Most likely more sturdy and better built.

Not necessarily and that isn't necessarily a sure thing even based on the price point that one paid for it. Even the most trivial things are not made as good as they once were.

Insurance will probably cover you should something go wrong.

Hahahahaha. That's a good one.

I would also have to wait until the "authorized" people are able to repair it, for two reasons. One due to insurance and the other due to a visible lack of repair for anyone outside of a "trusted" source (and that of course, means that I have to wait on their time table). While may not be so much of an issue with tools of this type at this point in time (that can easily change though), for some tools that is a very big area of concern.

Ya don't hafta pre-figure all the spces with guesswork.

I like to think I can read measurements off of pieces to get me beyond the realm of just plain "guesswork", but I could be wrong. And considering the lack of young workers being able to read a measuring tape nowadays, that probably is a big concern.

Hardly anyone has all the tools to fab something like that.

While in this case it was fabricating something else, it doesn't necessarily have to be straight fabrication, but actually just getting an already mass produced alternative part to help make the product you got better (although for a retro fit something like this, that tends to be a fab job, but even when it comes to just plain ole swapping out parts, with already existing alternatives, there seems to be less of a desire and combine that with a lack of right to repair, I would imagine popping the hood of a vehicle by the "owner" to void the warranty pretty soon).

Last,, if you have all those tools, you most likely already have what you wanna make.

If I already had that piece of machinery, I would actually fab internal parts that might make it better (unless it really was done well, which more like than not for all the parts), but typically things are short changed during the build process in order to make sure that they fit a specific price point, build size etc, but not necessarily still the best component for a certain part, but the best part for mass production, profit margins etc.


Some of the mass produced products that we have now were born out of the creator's need that wasn't exactly meet with an existing product, but that existing product was a starting point.

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

I envy the amount of free time and talant some people have

 

[WildWestDesigns]

I envy the amount of free time and talant some people have

No time is free. There is always a cost to time used.

Talent/skill just comes from actually doing, and doing and doing.

If this is for a business, I would consider tool creation like this, investing in the business. When there are so few barriers between competitors, sometimes it's the little things that make all the difference.

 

[Gino]

For crying out loud, wild...... you are not debating or discussing. You just change the meaning of words or ignore what's said and then sport on with something you make up. It's really just conjecture on your part, based upon newly unrelated subjects. Focus is key in these types of discussions..... or at least return back to the subject, somewhere.

 

[Boudica]

I like the way netsol thinks out side the box, and his shares about his tinkering are interesting. No one should get depressed. Cheer up cowboy.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

For crying out loud, wild...... you are not debating or discussing. You just change the meaning of words or ignore what's said and then sport on with something you make up. It's really just conjecture on your part, based upon newly unrelated subjects. Focus is key in these types of discussions..... or at least return back to the subject, somewhere.

The only thing that I am knowingly speculating on is the voiding of the warranty with popping the hood (which unfortunately, isn't as far fetched as one would think).

I don't recall, at least knowingly, changing the meaning of words. Now, I did go from totally fabricated to just swapping out parts for other mass produced parts that were of better quality compared to what OEM got you or what OEM would repair your product with. That I may not should have done, but my thinking for that was to show that it doesn't always have to be a totally new fabricated job to make things better or to even change what you have to something else for those that may not be able to totally fab on their own. Although I would think this group would probably be able to handle more fabrication compared to the average joe.

As far as "sport on with something that I made up", can you tell me what you think that I made up?

 

[netsol]

we bought one of the OLD polaroid c

The only thing that I am knowingly speculating on is the voiding of the warranty with popping the hood (which unfortunately, isn't as far fetched as one would think).

I don't recall, at least knowingly, changing the meaning of words. Now, I did go from totally fabricated to just swapping out parts for other mass produced parts that were of better quality compared to what OEM got you or what OEM would repair your product with. That I may not should have done, but my thinking for that was to show that it doesn't always have to be a totally new fabricated job to make things better or to even change what you have to something else for those that may not be able to totally fab on their own. Although I would think this group would probably be able to handle more fabrication compared to the average joe.

As far as "sport on with something that I made up", can you tell me what you think that I made up?

you are correct as far as "right to repair" whether it is getting into the service menus of our rolands, the problems with withholding information needed to modify and repair our cars, or many other things, i started out just looking for a metal cutting blade to fit to one of my chainsaws,

 

[Gino]

Wild, it's a combination of your words and processing them from your lack of comprehension capabilities. I really don't feel like proofreading and disecting your posts on a Sunday. I would suggest if you want answers, try to figure out where YOU went off tangents......... never to return.

As for insurance, once you alter ANYTHING, you void all warranties, so something go wrong, you're on your own.

As for repairing your own equipment, that's not gonna harm someone, but playing with chainsaws and adding things to OEM tools, you're playing with fire. You guys need to rethink inventing dangerous itmes.

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

No time is free. There is always a cost to time used.

Talent/skill just comes from actually doing, and doing and doing.

If this is for a business, I would consider tool creation like this, investing in the business. When there are so few barriers between competitors, sometimes it's the little things that make all the difference.

Then I will tell my wife in her free time she can use her talents and skills of loading the dishwasher, while I go to pornhub and **** ***. That is what each of us are used to doing and doing.

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Wild, it's a combination of your words and processing them from your lack of comprehension capabilities. I really don't feel like proofreading and disecting your posts on a Sunday. I would suggest if you want answers, try to figure out where YOU went off tangents......... never to return.

At one point, you had to proof to come up with your assertion to begin with on a Sunday. I don't know what you were considering, therefore, I couldn't try to explain why I was going in the direction that I was. That was why I was asking for a specific example of what you were claiming that I had done. I may not have explained it right and thus the connection may not have been seen by anyone other than myself.

As for insurance, once you alter ANYTHING, you void all warranties, so something go wrong, you're on your own.

No, I was actually laughing pre modding anything. Using things as they were. Insurance, while some can be good, other places are not so much. They want to not only make sure you dotted your i's and crossed your t's, but they want to put a micrometer on them to make sure you didn't have an issue with blotting them. Regardless if it was modded or not.

I firmly believe in the "want to play, have to pay" mentality when it comes to insurance claims etc. My comment was more about pre modding etc.

As for repairing your own equipment, that's not gonna harm someone, but playing with chainsaws and adding things to OEM tools, you're playing with fire. You guys need to rethink inventing dangerous itmes.

Actually, repairing my own equipment harms the bottom line of OEMs and why they have gone thru stupendous measures to make things harder to do repair work (or motivate people to purchase new when they can actually still use old(er)). So that alone, yes, that is harmful depending on who you talk to. Now, if you are talking about harming others with just repair work, yea, that could still be point of concern as modding OEM, depending on your knowledge/standards etc.

Modifying/adding to, depending on what you are doing may not be harmful (either to the device or to persons), in fact, may actually be the contrary. I can think of nozzle modifications, extruder modifications (I'm thinking of my 3D printer, but not everyone has/cares about those), or could even go all the way to vehicles (I loved the 6.0 PSD, but it had it's issues from the factory thru it's entire run). The first two would be more device centered, the last would be safety (as someone that has suffered from EGR and head bolt issues, I know what it is like from a safety perspective with those OEM parts when they fail and with the 6.0, it was rarely "if", but "when").

 

[WildWestDesigns]

Then I will tell my wife in her free time she can use her talents and skills of loading the dishwasher, while I go to pornhub and **** ***. That is what each of us are used to doing and doing.

Now, if that's what you want to do in your free time, that's whatever floats your boat. I would say that with a little moderation (providing that you have the desire to do so, if you don't, no worries) may be able to reallocate to ease those envies that you have. Sometimes it just take reorganization of one's "free time" to help handle those envies. Now if you don't care to, no worries.

 

[netsol]

As for repairing your own equipment, that's not gonna harm someone, but playing with chainsaws and adding things to OEM tools, you're playing with fire. You guys need to rethink inventing dangerous itmes.

gino,

you make me think of Henry, electrical engineer, former employee & long time good friend (now deceased) who was always of the opinion that i had an unhealthy fascination for "tools of destruction" as he called them (angle grinders, demolition hammers, chops saws. ) he always said i would reach for a chop saw when a razor knife would suffice...

 

[netsol]

never expected this to become an insurance thread