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Rick, I see what your saying that a employee needs access to information. I agree. What I am talking about is protecting your assets. If you let in a personal laptop, you don't know what went on with that laptop outside of the office or have anyway to ensure it didn't pick up a virus or other piece of malware. You can't force the employee to give you access to his personal property. They can choose to but, you can't force them.

An example of this is Employee Bob goes home and watches Malaysian porn. He picks up a virus along with it. Now he comes into your shop and introduces that virus to your system. Now lets say that viruses whole job is to record credit card numbers and your clients card numbers get stolen.

Is Bob responsible or the company?? You would have to admit to your clients you let Bob in with a virus that caused a breach in your security causing them harm. When you could have simply ensured Bob had a machine for work & let him watch his Malaysian porn on his personal machine. Putting only his assets at risk.

Edit: this is a true scenario that occurred at a previous place of employment.
 

CES020

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An example of this is Employee Bob goes home and watches Malaysian porn. He picks up a virus along with it. Now he comes into your shop and introduces that virus to your system. Now lets say that viruses whole job is to record credit card numbers and your clients card numbers get stolen.

If you had given Bob a Mac, he wouldn't have gotten the virus :Big Laugh

Yes people, it was a joke. A JOKE....... (before there are 100 posts about that) Take is as it was meant, as a joke.
 

Rick

Certified Enneadecagon Designer
Rick, I see what your saying that a employee needs access to information. I agree. What I am talking about is protecting your assets. If you let in a personal laptop, you don't know what went on with that laptop outside of the office or have anyway to ensure it didn't pick up a virus or other piece of malware. You can't force the employee to give you access to his personal property. They can choose to but, you can't force them.

An example of this is Employee Bob goes home and watches Malaysian porn. He picks up a virus along with it. Now he comes into your shop and introduces that virus to your system. Now lets say that viruses whole job is to record credit card numbers and your clients card numbers get stolen.

Is Bob responsible or the company?? You would have to admit to your clients you let Bob in with a virus that caused a breach in your security causing them harm. When you could have simply ensured Bob had a machine for work & let him watch his Malaysian porn on his personal machine. Putting only his assets at risk.

Edit: this is a true scenario that occurred at a previous place of employment.

Maybe switch to a Mac and you can alleviate the possibility by 98%... Oh I went there... :ROFLMAO:

Still seems remote, but I would not run my business worrying about that.
 

Mike F

New Member
Why is any company letting any employee use a personal laptop at work?? I don't care how much I trust anyone. I don't let personal computers have access to any of my data that can walk out of here and not come back.

Its private property so it be really hard to get access to that personal computer to see what its been up to. I know there are other ways to steal data but, thats like leaving your door unlocked when you leave the shop at night. You just don't do it!

I don't see your point. If you have any kind of decent network monitoring software, you can look at logs and see who did what and when. If they're accessing files they're not supposed to, or sticking files onto their laptop that they shouldn't be, you'll know just as fast as if they were using one of your company machines. Not to mention it's really not that hard to bring in a flash drive, sd card, or even an ipod or mp3 player and stick files onto that and walk out with it. You can also upload files to a personal dropbox or FTP site. If you're that paranoid, you might as well disable all the USB ports and optical drive that can burn discs in your shop, not allow your employees to check e-mail on their cell phones or ipads/tablets, and completely shut your internal network off from the web.
 

timkaz227

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Mac Mini

Mac Mini- can't beat it for the money max out on the RAM. We have 3 of them now. We got my wife(graphics in our shop) one a couple years ago. Last year when we got our versacamm we got her a newer model and i took hers so I could do some sign work also. A PC keyboard will work w/ it also, if you have one. It's not a $3000 model w/ 12 core zeon processor, but it does the job for $600. FYI-all 3 were refurbs we got from Apple for $100 less.
 

WildWestDesigns

Active Member
Mac Mini- can't beat it for the money max out on the RAM. We have 3 of them now. We got my wife(graphics in our shop) one a couple years ago. Last year when we got our versacamm we got her a newer model and i took hers so I could do some sign work also. A PC keyboard will work w/ it also, if you have one. It's not a $3000 model w/ 12 core zeon processor, but it does the job for $600. FYI-all 3 were refurbs we got from Apple for $100 less.


In my experience with the iMac and a keyboard that will work on PC/Mac, shortcuts don't work at all. At least not with regard to plug and play. I don't use it for anything other then internet and streaming as my production computer is way way to far away for internet access and there is no wifi out there, so there wasn't much reason for me to try to tweak the settings.
 

Arlo Kalon 2.0

New Member
All I can add to this is that at my last place of employment as a designer at biggest electric sign company in town, we hired a new salesman once. He had recently left a competitor. He proudly showed us on his laptop the previous employer's entire customer contact list with many jobs in the bid stage. which he went after and sold for us since he knew the figures involved. I always thought that was sleazy, but the company owner I worked for was equally sleazy in that regard and happily usurped his competitor's jobs. It works both ways whenever money is involved.
 

Kevin-shopVOX

New Member
I like the OP philosophy. Invest in your employees. That is his original intent and I applaud him for being that type of business owner. Doing so creates growth, unity and long-term ROI. There should be more like him!

Oh and SignVOX works on MAC or PC with no issues. Just sayin' :)
 

WildWestDesigns

Active Member
I like the OP philosophy. Invest in your employees. That is his original intent and I applaud him for being that type of business owner. Doing so creates growth, unity and long-term ROI. There should be more like him!

Oh and SignVOX works on MAC or PC with no issues. Just sayin' :)


In theory it really is the way to go. However, when you are dealing with human nature anything can happen.

Is the reward worth the risk? Just depends on the OP's assessment of the guy's character and where he sees them in the longterm. Anything can happen to chanfe the dynamic.

CES020 the basic shortcuts do not want to work. Copy, paste, undo etc. Althoug it really is a non-issue because I use the other computers for everything else. I just had to get rid of that damn Mac keyboard that didn't have a number keypad and I had that extra keyboard.
 

CES020

New Member
I know what you mean, I had them swap out the wireless keyboard to a wired one that has the number pad on it. Couldn't work without my number pad.
 

Kevin-shopVOX

New Member
In theory it really is the way to go. However, when you are dealing with human nature anything can happen.

Is the reward worth the risk? Just depends on the OP's assessment of the guy's character and where he sees them in the longterm. Anything can happen to chanfe the dynamic.

Yes but this theory as a whole will will generate more positives for the long term than the negatives in the short term.
 

njshorts

New Member
In theory it really is the way to go. However, when you are dealing with human nature anything can happen.

Is the reward worth the risk? Just depends on the OP's assessment of the guy's character and where he sees them in the longterm. Anything can happen to chanfe the dynamic.

CES020 the basic shortcuts do not want to work. Copy, paste, undo etc. Althoug it really is a non-issue because I use the other computers for everything else. I just had to get rid of that damn Mac keyboard that didn't have a number keypad and I had that extra keyboard.

ive got a mac keyboard with a number pad... they still make em.

also, the keymap is a bit different, but the command key and all that still works on a non-mac keyboard... just mapped elsewhere.
 
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