You have to use your negotiating skills. Don't just pay these prices. That is why competition is so important. If someone is charging you a high price then go and research your options. There are plenty of other companies out there and you must also look at quality and the ability of those companies to meet your supply demand. The market changes all the time, it is never going to stay stagnant. The businesses that stay stagnant and don't adjust lose the biggest.The exporting country were never going to pay the the tariffs. Trump just lied. The person importing pays them then passes them on to the next customer.
I'm not sure why Americans found it hard to understand. Yes it brings money for the US government, but the US businesses having to import things are the ones paying it!
I wonder now they have been found to be illegal he will cancel them and refund the payments made
Sometimes people get what they vote for
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Tariff impact, can't get clearer than this
- Thread starter John Miller
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The ultimate plan is to get rid of income tax completely. It was only supposed to be temporary after World War 2
This doesn't sound like confusion, it sounds like big money coming to the USA https://www.newsweek.com/business-trump-biden-investments-manufacturing-recession-2048775
Gene@mpls
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These people know that Trump's interest in this is for something that he can trumpet on the interweb. He has no control over these investments and they know that. He tells the American people what they want to hear and the foreign companies are telling him what he wants to hear. IMHO of course
WildWestDesigns
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To think that this is only a cost issue shows a lack of knowledge of what a tool like tariffs can be. Every country uses them, why is it everyone gets their knickers in a twist when the US does it?
Canada is doing it (why in the world they are removing Jack Daniels bottles after they have already paid the duties on the, I dunno though). Also, didn't Crown Royal move production to the US or is in the process of such? I think China leveraged higher taxes on Canada's canola oil.
As far as him backtracking on, are you talking about the ones that he has suspended for a time? Bare in mind, tariffs (or other means) can get people to the negotiating table for other things as well. Said something off the wall stupid, can get people to say/do other other actions that he actually wanted to get done, but took giving a wild shock to the system for them to do anything. That's the same thing with the whole 51st state comment. See what's going on in western Canada since that talk was going about (for a lot of different reasons, I don't actually want any of those provinces in as a state, but I digress). Same thing with Greenland/Denmark.
As far as the school switching gears, that could be a thing. I haven't been in the 12 or younger grade system since last century (nor college for that matter), however, when I was there, it was need to go to college for this, that or the other. Won't do well if you don't go to college etc. Now, maybe small towns were different, I came from the big city, so there is that.
I haven't seen anyone being arrested for that, however, I have seen that they are being taken down under the auspice that it's offending the immigrants (both legal and illegal, ironically the whole purpose was to assimilate those coming in into the new country/culture, if not, why leave in the first place?). Now, if that's true or not, I'm on the outside looking in, I wouldn't be surprised though given how things have been happening here where I am at now (is it everywhere here stateside, maybe/maybe not).
No, we haven't been insular for the last 80 years, remember we are more consumers than anything else, that alone makes for us too depending on imported goods. In fact, our politicians have cared more for people outside the US compared to inside. Exporting doesn't do squat for me personally, that's why I don't care about it as much as I care about other things. I didn't say that it is or isn't a good thing to export. However, running a trade deficit is not good, especially to countries that handled critical goods, that don't like us and want to have more global power.
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President Trump says tariffs could replace federal income tax.
GAC05
Quit buggin' me
We try to support US-made products, but it is not always possible. Prices are always on the rise, no matter who is in charge (yes, I do use 3M vinyl).
Received a note this morning stating that our lift gate supplier will implement a 5.5% increase by the end of the year. I can't really complain; we are still using the price list that went into effect in 2022.
Can't sell on price anymore - has to be quality, service, and warranty. Our police light supplier (Whelen) makes just about all the parts from IC boards to the optics used in their products, here in the US.
They are expensive, but the service & support are second to none, and they just doubled the warranty on their LEDs and control systems from 5 to 10 years.
The US can do anything it needs to do if we can get our priorities in order and buckle down.
Received a note this morning stating that our lift gate supplier will implement a 5.5% increase by the end of the year. I can't really complain; we are still using the price list that went into effect in 2022.
Can't sell on price anymore - has to be quality, service, and warranty. Our police light supplier (Whelen) makes just about all the parts from IC boards to the optics used in their products, here in the US.
They are expensive, but the service & support are second to none, and they just doubled the warranty on their LEDs and control systems from 5 to 10 years.
The US can do anything it needs to do if we can get our priorities in order and buckle down.
victor bogdanov
Active Member
Country 1 - Punishes/controls (tax) it's citizens , USA government in response - I will punish and control (tax) my citizens
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Call countries communist, socialist , shithole etc, then go ahead and copy their trade policy
WildWestDesigns
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Tariffs are not inherently communistic or socialistic. In fact, don't some communistic organisations view them as an extension of capitalism? Most of those that follow that doctrine don't like it, because it hurts the downtrodden, the workers etc. Which is what they believe capitalism does. Why I believe that they see it as an extension of capitalism.
Not to say those regimes won't use such measures, but have to realize that even those regimes have allowed a middle class to emerge (although with some caveats), because it would help with their control over the situation.
victor bogdanov
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Government telling what to do (where to buy) is
WildWestDesigns
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Ok, even with tariffs imposed, can you not still get those goods? It maybe at a larger price compared to others, but can you not still get those goods? Or have the potential to get those goods? Now a response from another country may be to pull the plug on sending those goods (or tighten up supply chain etc), but ultimately that's the other country's decision. Which is no skin off their back if the importing country is handling the entire hit(cost) the that tariff as you talk about. The importing country's government may be trying to change habits, that may be true, but if someone still wants to get something, they can still legally do so.
Now, if you want to talk about an embargo, I could agree with you there as that would be saying saying that we can't get whatever, at least not legally.
Now, I firmly do believe the best government governs least, however, I also do realize that there are market failures and those even happen in a pure free trade market, which I don't know of that truly ever happening (true 100% free trade that is), that would involve too many people with their own self serving motives that would keep that from happening. Even if governments aren't involved, big business can elicit the same type of control that you are talking about just by manipulating supply and demand. Which would be even easier with no controls what so ever and nothing but total free trade.
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victor bogdanov
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Why can't I buy a Chinese car in the USA?
WildWestDesigns
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Well do have Chinese made that are easy enough to get here in the states, but they under the usual automakers that we all see and deal with, so not quite the same. Otherwise, they haven't set up shop here, I personally not to sure that I would want them to either. But that would be the only way to actually buy one is that if they had distribution here stateside, those restrictions though would keep this from happening (security concerns as well as EPA standards, if they were to actually build a plant here to build, tariffs would be a none issue as it would be related to importing, not building here).
Now you can import, I do believe that you would have to register as a slow moving vehicle due to their lack of EPA compliance for ICE vehicles. Their EVs do have bans though due to connectivity concerns (security in other words). Something that I actually have a problem with the automakers that we do have here. Not a fan of all this connectivity regardless if it's a foreign car or not.
Now the importing is not easy and I do think the duties will cost you more compared to the vehicle itself and that pesky register as a slow moving vehicle (I think that's due to EPA issues), but this wasn't about difficulty, but if you could get a Chinese car. It is possible, not without it's challenges, but it is possible. Rather or not it's worth it, that's for you to decide.
Caveat, I don't know if the rules have changed on this or not, last time I went rummaging around, as I read it, this was the case, however, it could have changed or my aged mind could have remembered wrong. These rules can and do change fairly often. I have some interest, but not a whole lot as I wouldn't ever be in a market for one of this, regardless of my tin foil hat issues, I'm unaware of a Chinese equivalent on a vehicle that I would get. But I do realize that I am not everyone.
Now you can import, I do believe that you would have to register as a slow moving vehicle due to their lack of EPA compliance for ICE vehicles. Their EVs do have bans though due to connectivity concerns (security in other words). Something that I actually have a problem with the automakers that we do have here. Not a fan of all this connectivity regardless if it's a foreign car or not.
Now the importing is not easy and I do think the duties will cost you more compared to the vehicle itself and that pesky register as a slow moving vehicle (I think that's due to EPA issues), but this wasn't about difficulty, but if you could get a Chinese car. It is possible, not without it's challenges, but it is possible. Rather or not it's worth it, that's for you to decide.
Caveat, I don't know if the rules have changed on this or not, last time I went rummaging around, as I read it, this was the case, however, it could have changed or my aged mind could have remembered wrong. These rules can and do change fairly often. I have some interest, but not a whole lot as I wouldn't ever be in a market for one of this, regardless of my tin foil hat issues, I'm unaware of a Chinese equivalent on a vehicle that I would get. But I do realize that I am not everyone.
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