Tariff impact, can't get clearer than this

[damonCA21]

The other big point is if you are paying more for your materials and then passing that on to your customers does it reach a point when the customers can't afford those prices and stop ordering? Do you then absorb the costs yourself and make less profit?

 

[damonCA21]

yes, i voted for this.
local manufacturing. local economy.
...can't compete against slave labor.

tariffs encourage us to bring it back home & stop selling our future to communist china.

How many microchips can America make compared to how many it needs. How many cars. How many rolls of vinyl?

How many years for America to be self sufficient and have a surplus to export

 

[victor bogdanov]

How many microchips can America make compared to how many it needs. How many cars. How many rolls of vinyl?

How many years for America to be self sufficient and have a surplus to export

And where is the workforce to do all this work? Probably over 100 million people working worldwide solely on products headed to the usa. Probably impossible to replace all that labor domestically

 

[WildWestDesigns]

That would be fine if the USA had the production capability, knowhow and manpower to produce everything it needs, but it doesn't and it will take years to set that up.

We had it at one time for some things, but lost it due to this very thing. Hell, due to automation that we have with the few plants that are still here, there are people that don't know how to even turn on the machines if they had to be shut down, because for a couple of generations they have been running non stop.

For the limited things America can make they have little chance of exporting them when the rest of the world can buy from countries that are not having to pay loads more for their production costs much cheaper.

I don't necessarily care about exporting as much as I do care about other things. There is no reason for some things not to be made here stateside. I don't much care for being dependent on countries that don't really like us that much for our medicine or have their supposed private companies to own farmland here at all. Or to have so much of our debt. Sorry I don't really like all of that.

Whichever way you look at it all the tariffs are doing is making items for the average consumer more expensive

It's going to go up regardless. Even if we tighten down, as long as our government can still print money, it's going to be worse off for us regardless. It won't matter what we do or what tariffs we have.

The other big point is if you are paying more for your materials and then passing that on to your customers does it reach a point when the customers can't afford those prices and stop ordering? Do you then absorb the costs yourself and make less profit?

I don't know about y'all, but I'm always on the lookout for other sources of inputs. I do not have one source that I'm always getting from. That happened long before now. Typically what most people don't factor in is that when one input gets so high, another takes it's place that was once too expensive compared to the original source. Or some technology comes in and changes how things are done.

And where is the workforce to do all this work? Probably over 100 million people working worldwide solely on products headed to the usa. Probably impossible to replace all that labor domestically

It doesn't have to be replaced in total, but it sure wouldn't hurt to have more working here (legally I might add) compared to overseas. And while automation/technology does have it's cons depending on how it's implemented, it does have it's perks as well. May not need quite as much workforce compared to other countries that are able to employ so may, because it's cheaper to live there and they can pay essentially slave wages.

The one problem that we do have here is that most people think that blue collar, working jobs are beneath them. That is something that is going to have to change, but that has been drilled into generations of people, so I dunno about that.

Bare in mind, I'm talking about more of a balance of what we bring in and what we produce here. Not an all or nothing that most people are saying. There are somethings that we can't grow here due to our conditions (unless we grow them in controlled areas and that would add to the price as well), but we are nowhere near working at capacity that we could be doing in some areas. How do you think the Rust Belt came into being and that area that was filled with production capability back in the 70s. Ageing infrastructure that wasn't getting a whole lotta love and attention due to sourcing elsewhere. This was hit yet again with NAFTA (I still remember the sign that one guy was carrying (After NAFTA the Shafta) in the early-mid 90s.

Global trade etc all works when everybody is singing Kumbaya and enjoying that thought process, but this isn't really the direction that the world is going in, actually far from it (and we usually have shifts like this every 80-100 yrs and the more global way of thinking first came around after WWII and guess what, that's 80s since it's end if I remember correctly since Japan surrendered).

 

[John Miller]

We had it at one time for some things, but lost it due to this very thing. Hell, due to automation that we have with the few plants that are still here, there are people that don't know how to even turn on the machines if they had to be shut down, because for a couple of generations they have been running non stop.


I don't necessarily care about exporting as much as I do care about other things. There is no reason for some things not to be made here stateside. I don't much care for being dependent on countries that don't really like us that much for our medicine or have their supposed private companies to own farmland here at all. Or to have so much of our debt. Sorry I don't really like all of that.

It's going to go up regardless. Even if we tighten down, as long as our government can still print money, it's going to be worse off for us regardless. It won't matter what we do or what tariffs we have.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm always on the lookout for other sources of inputs. I do not have one source that I'm always getting from. That happened long before now. Typically what most people don't factor in is that when one input gets so high, another takes it's place that was once too expensive compared to the original source. Or some technology comes in and changes how things are done.



It doesn't have to be replaced in total, but it sure wouldn't hurt to have more working here (legally I might add) compared to overseas. And while automation/technology does have it's cons depending on how it's implemented, it does have it's perks as well. May not need quite as much workforce compared to other countries that are able to employ so may, because it's cheaper to live there and they can pay essentially slave wages.

The one problem that we do have here is that most people think that blue collar, working jobs are beneath them. That is something that is going to have to change, but that has been drilled into generations of people, so I dunno about that.

Bare in mind, I'm talking about more of a balance of what we bring in and what we produce here. Not an all or nothing that most people are saying. There are somethings that we can't grow here due to our conditions (unless we grow them in controlled areas and that would add to the price as well), but we are nowhere near working at capacity that we could be doing in some areas. How do you think the Rust Belt came into being and that area that was filled with production capability back in the 70s. Ageing infrastructure that wasn't getting a whole lotta love and attention due to sourcing elsewhere. This was hit yet again with NAFTA (I still remember the sign that one guy was carrying (After NAFTA the Shafta) in the early-mid 90s.

Global trade etc all works when everybody is singing Kumbaya and enjoying that thought process, but this isn't really the direction that the world is going in, actually far from it (and we usually have shifts like this every 80-100 yrs and the more global way of thinking first came around after WWII and guess what, that's 80s since it's end if I remember correctly since Japan surrendered).

Replying to your statement about blue collar jobs. My wife is a high school teacher and I’m happy to report that the tide is turning as far as blue collar type jobs. Kids are persueing blue collar jobs. They should, 35-45$ per hr isn’t bad right out of high school.

 

[Johnny Best]

I am surprised that Gemini has not moved to China and get that cheap labor, plus the Chinese are really good at making cast metal products. I amsure Gemini has huge stocks of metal that they have purchased over the years. John Miller just assumes the surcharge is there because of tarrifs and not the company raising their prices because of higher wages they are paying emplyees or they have unionized, Blaming all your misforunes on the govERNMENT aND TRump is a reach for complaining.