Tariff impact, can't get clearer than this

[damonCA21]

The other big point is if you are paying more for your materials and then passing that on to your customers does it reach a point when the customers can't afford those prices and stop ordering? Do you then absorb the costs yourself and make less profit?

 

[damonCA21]

yes, i voted for this.
local manufacturing. local economy.
...can't compete against slave labor.

tariffs encourage us to bring it back home & stop selling our future to communist china.

How many microchips can America make compared to how many it needs. How many cars. How many rolls of vinyl?

How many years for America to be self sufficient and have a surplus to export

 

[victor bogdanov]

How many microchips can America make compared to how many it needs. How many cars. How many rolls of vinyl?

How many years for America to be self sufficient and have a surplus to export

And where is the workforce to do all this work? Probably over 100 million people working worldwide solely on products headed to the usa. Probably impossible to replace all that labor domestically

 

[WildWestDesigns]

That would be fine if the USA had the production capability, knowhow and manpower to produce everything it needs, but it doesn't and it will take years to set that up.

We had it at one time for some things, but lost it due to this very thing. Hell, due to automation that we have with the few plants that are still here, there are people that don't know how to even turn on the machines if they had to be shut down, because for a couple of generations they have been running non stop.

For the limited things America can make they have little chance of exporting them when the rest of the world can buy from countries that are not having to pay loads more for their production costs much cheaper.

I don't necessarily care about exporting as much as I do care about other things. There is no reason for some things not to be made here stateside. I don't much care for being dependent on countries that don't really like us that much for our medicine or have their supposed private companies to own farmland here at all. Or to have so much of our debt. Sorry I don't really like all of that.

Whichever way you look at it all the tariffs are doing is making items for the average consumer more expensive

It's going to go up regardless. Even if we tighten down, as long as our government can still print money, it's going to be worse off for us regardless. It won't matter what we do or what tariffs we have.

The other big point is if you are paying more for your materials and then passing that on to your customers does it reach a point when the customers can't afford those prices and stop ordering? Do you then absorb the costs yourself and make less profit?

I don't know about y'all, but I'm always on the lookout for other sources of inputs. I do not have one source that I'm always getting from. That happened long before now. Typically what most people don't factor in is that when one input gets so high, another takes it's place that was once too expensive compared to the original source. Or some technology comes in and changes how things are done.

And where is the workforce to do all this work? Probably over 100 million people working worldwide solely on products headed to the usa. Probably impossible to replace all that labor domestically

It doesn't have to be replaced in total, but it sure wouldn't hurt to have more working here (legally I might add) compared to overseas. And while automation/technology does have it's cons depending on how it's implemented, it does have it's perks as well. May not need quite as much workforce compared to other countries that are able to employ so may, because it's cheaper to live there and they can pay essentially slave wages.

The one problem that we do have here is that most people think that blue collar, working jobs are beneath them. That is something that is going to have to change, but that has been drilled into generations of people, so I dunno about that.

Bare in mind, I'm talking about more of a balance of what we bring in and what we produce here. Not an all or nothing that most people are saying. There are somethings that we can't grow here due to our conditions (unless we grow them in controlled areas and that would add to the price as well), but we are nowhere near working at capacity that we could be doing in some areas. How do you think the Rust Belt came into being and that area that was filled with production capability back in the 70s. Ageing infrastructure that wasn't getting a whole lotta love and attention due to sourcing elsewhere. This was hit yet again with NAFTA (I still remember the sign that one guy was carrying (After NAFTA the Shafta) in the early-mid 90s.

Global trade etc all works when everybody is singing Kumbaya and enjoying that thought process, but this isn't really the direction that the world is going in, actually far from it (and we usually have shifts like this every 80-100 yrs and the more global way of thinking first came around after WWII and guess what, that's 80s since it's end if I remember correctly since Japan surrendered).

 

[John Miller]

We had it at one time for some things, but lost it due to this very thing. Hell, due to automation that we have with the few plants that are still here, there are people that don't know how to even turn on the machines if they had to be shut down, because for a couple of generations they have been running non stop.


I don't necessarily care about exporting as much as I do care about other things. There is no reason for some things not to be made here stateside. I don't much care for being dependent on countries that don't really like us that much for our medicine or have their supposed private companies to own farmland here at all. Or to have so much of our debt. Sorry I don't really like all of that.

It's going to go up regardless. Even if we tighten down, as long as our government can still print money, it's going to be worse off for us regardless. It won't matter what we do or what tariffs we have.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm always on the lookout for other sources of inputs. I do not have one source that I'm always getting from. That happened long before now. Typically what most people don't factor in is that when one input gets so high, another takes it's place that was once too expensive compared to the original source. Or some technology comes in and changes how things are done.



It doesn't have to be replaced in total, but it sure wouldn't hurt to have more working here (legally I might add) compared to overseas. And while automation/technology does have it's cons depending on how it's implemented, it does have it's perks as well. May not need quite as much workforce compared to other countries that are able to employ so may, because it's cheaper to live there and they can pay essentially slave wages.

The one problem that we do have here is that most people think that blue collar, working jobs are beneath them. That is something that is going to have to change, but that has been drilled into generations of people, so I dunno about that.

Bare in mind, I'm talking about more of a balance of what we bring in and what we produce here. Not an all or nothing that most people are saying. There are somethings that we can't grow here due to our conditions (unless we grow them in controlled areas and that would add to the price as well), but we are nowhere near working at capacity that we could be doing in some areas. How do you think the Rust Belt came into being and that area that was filled with production capability back in the 70s. Ageing infrastructure that wasn't getting a whole lotta love and attention due to sourcing elsewhere. This was hit yet again with NAFTA (I still remember the sign that one guy was carrying (After NAFTA the Shafta) in the early-mid 90s.

Global trade etc all works when everybody is singing Kumbaya and enjoying that thought process, but this isn't really the direction that the world is going in, actually far from it (and we usually have shifts like this every 80-100 yrs and the more global way of thinking first came around after WWII and guess what, that's 80s since it's end if I remember correctly since Japan surrendered).

Replying to your statement about blue collar jobs. My wife is a high school teacher and I’m happy to report that the tide is turning as far as blue collar type jobs. Kids are persueing blue collar jobs. They should, 35-45$ per hr isn’t bad right out of high school.

 

[Johnny Best]

I am surprised that Gemini has not moved to China and get that cheap labor, plus the Chinese are really good at making cast metal products. I amsure Gemini has huge stocks of metal that they have purchased over the years. John Miller just assumes the surcharge is there because of tarrifs and not the company raising their prices because of higher wages they are paying emplyees or they have unionized, Blaming all your misforunes on the govERNMENT aND TRump is a reach for complaining.

 

[damonCA21]

I have never seen a company add on a random surcharge because their production costs have gone up

 

[damonCA21]

Wildwest export is vital as otherwise the country can't grow. Just producing enough for the domestic market and only selling there means America would stagnate and be in a very dangerous position.

Americas problem has always been they are too insular and Trump has no clue about global production, he just thought as usual he could bully people into capitulation to him.

 

[MikePro]

How many microchips can America make compared to how many it needs. How many cars. How many rolls of vinyl?

How many years for America to be self sufficient and have a surplus to export

sounds like a yesterday problem.
$500billion worth of supercomputer facilities being built in the US, courtesy of Pelosi's NVIDIA stock portfolio.
car manufacturers are also bolstering US production
vinyl is already made stateside as well, as well as green dildos to keep up with the demand for the WNBA.

 

[damonCA21]

I take it you voted trump then. Let's hope your dreams come true...

 

[MikePro]

I take it you voted trump then. Let's hope your dreams come true...

I'm sure you missed it amongst your spam, but yes...i clearly stated I voted for this.
TDS spans multiple continents, but sure...keep paying twice as much as we do for gas&electric, and much more, while pretending like we're the ones to blame for your surging costs and your inability to fund NATO as agreed-upon.

i take it that you're ok with people getting arrested for flying the Union Jack, or simply shouting "I like bacon" too eh?
Keep your monarchy, no Kings here in the US.

 

[damonCA21]

I'm sure you missed it amongst your spam, but yes...i clearly stated I voted for this.
TDS spans multiple continents, but sure...keep paying twice as much as we do for gas&electric, and much more, while pretending like we're the ones to blame for your surging costs and your inability to fund NATO as agreed-upon.

i take it that you're ok with people getting arrested for flying the Union Jack, or simply shouting "I like bacon" too eh?
Keep your monarchy, no Kings here in the US.

Nobody is being arrested for flying the I
Union Jack or saying they like bacon

 

[damonCA21]

You do also know our monarchy have nothing to do with running the country?

I'm sure Trump would declare himself king if he could though.

MAGA FTW though

 

[MikePro]

You do also know our monarchy have nothing to do with running the country?

I'm sure Trump would declare himself king if he could though.

MAGA FTW though

...and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle

 

[Stacey K]

Replying to your statement about blue collar jobs. My wife is a high school teacher and I’m happy to report that the tide is turning as far as blue collar type jobs. Kids are persueing blue collar jobs. They should, 35-45$ per hr isn’t bad right out of high school.

100% happening here too. Most the local schools had huge help from local employers hugely bolstering their tech ed departments because lack of work force. Most of my son's guy friends who graduated in 2023 went into the trades. My son and another boy were hired right after high school for a maintenance position at a local manufacturer. They are being sent for certifications in electrical, robotics, etc. every couple months. And yes, making the wages you claim...it's a win-win situation. That manufacturer does not require degrees for many of their positions; they hire by taking a mechanical aptitude test and your willingness to learn. Most of the people in higher up positions have no formal schooling, no degree, just some 2-day certifications. It's the way to go now for employers.

 

[CanuckSigns]

I am surprised that Gemini has not moved to China and get that cheap labor, plus the Chinese are really good at making cast metal products. I amsure Gemini has huge stocks of metal that they have purchased over the years. John Miller just assumes the surcharge is there because of tarrifs and not the company raising their prices because of higher wages they are paying emplyees or they have unionized, Blaming all your misforunes on the govERNMENT aND TRump is a reach for complaining.

From Gemini's Website:

To our partners,

The recent tariff news has created an uncertain environment in North America. Although Gemini sources over 90% of our raw materials domestically, we have already seen price increases on those materials in the range of 15-20%.



In response, Gemini will be implementing a 10% surcharge on the metal products listed below effective April 15, 2025:

• Fabricated Metal
• Flat Cut Metal
• Cast Metal
• All Plaques
• Thin Gauge Metal Signs

At this time, there is no surcharge on Flat Cut Acrylic, Flat Cut PVC, Laminate, Gemleaf, Formed Plastic, Lit Formed Plastic, and Lit Acrylic.



We understand that price fluctuations can be concerning. The surcharge of 10% will only cover a portion of the increased costs we will incur from tariffs and price increases on raw metals in the range of 15-20% from domestic suppliers. Like most in the signage industry, we are actively monitoring to be as proactive as possible in providing price transparency to you.



Gemini is committed to supporting you through this period of uncertainty. We value your partnership and will do everything we can to ensure you have the latest information with the service you expect. Please contact us with any questions or look for the latest updates in Gemini’s Partner Portal. We will be in touch with any changes.



Thank you for your continued partnership.

For the latest updates about the ongoing tariff developments to Gemini products, visit www.geminimade.com.

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