Tariff impact, can't get clearer than this

[ikarasu]

Actually, the schools are funded by the United States Government and local & state taxes, so I can see & understand why only the ten commandments would/could go in..... thus omitting any other religion(s). If other religions want, they could very easily make the choice to school their children in one of their own schools. Now, I don't think every classroom needs them, however maybe one in the lobby of the school would be sufficient.

Personally, I'm a little tired of people coming into this country and wanting things the way they were in their old country. In probably 95% of the people coming here, they left a place which was bad in many ways and came here to start over or get ahead. By our laws, one needs to take oaths and pass some tests, which evidently, no one adheres to. You need to know something like 6 outta 10 civics type questions, pass a knowledge of english test and take an oath to renounce your old country and make your new allegiance to this country. There're more things involved like visitors, green cards and working ways, but almost all cases need a medical examination.

There are extremes all around us and like never before. The murder of charlie kirk is proof of that. There.... was a guy who didn't agree with things kirk said or debated, so, he cowardly hid far away, took careful aim and murdered someone because of his difference of opinion. This has nothing to do with tariffs but all to do with how nuts the world is getting.

It's separation of church and state, I don't think the problem is that it's the ten Commandments... The problem is that it is forcing religion and the funding spent for everyone.

A good majority of Americans are agnostic, or Jehovah's witnesses, or mennonites... What do you do if the next president isn't catholics/christian and has different beliefs? Then he will force through his religion going into the schools... And every 4 or 8 years it will cycle and people will vote based on their religion instead of based on policies.

Heck, there are some Americans that turned Islamic, how would you feel if the next present there was elected started mandating Muslim teachings in school?


At least that's how I understand why church and state is separate. People are free to practice whatever religion they want, but it shouldn't be forced on anything the public / taxes are paying for in my opinion.


I do agree with you with how crazy the world is getting off, seeing how people are responding to Charlie Kirks death... People saying he deserved it for his beliefs, saying he's pro guns so he should be okay being killed by a gun... And it's not just a few people either, everywhere I go online there's people happy that he died. In my opinion the people that feel that way are no better than the third world countries we're trying to not be like.

The few democrats who have came out against his shooting, or even Chris Pratt who said it was a sad day and his prays go out to Kirk.... People trying to cancel them or call them out just for offering condoloscenes.... I still think the country is too divided with a us vs them mentality, but this past week has shown me that the left can be just as fucked as the right, and some people just can't be fixed.

 

[ikarasu]

The far right does ridiculous things too. Our TX governor mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in every class room. I'm religious, but that is a bridge too far when you have to consider other religions have equal weight in our society.

If call myself middle ground on religion. I believe there is a higher power... But I don't believe God, or whatever the higher power is, would send you to tell for committing a "mortal" sin, but dying the day before you went to confession.

I was an alter boy for 8 years, went to church every single day while I was on. It was a Roman Catholic, super strict church.... And it being shoved down my throat turned me against it. I remember being told I couldn't go see the men in black movie because if there were aliens they were the devil, and I shouldn't support movies about the devil.

Now obviously that's a far cry against the 10 commandments... But if you force it upon someone who isn't religious, odds are theyll turn against that.

Not sure how it is over there.... But over here just in my city there's a dozen Catholic private schools. Tuition isn't free like public school, but it's not crazy Expensive like true private schools. Much better way than forcing any religioun on a group of people who may or may not be religious, IMO.

 

[Gino]

It's separation of church and state, I don't think the problem is that it's the ten Commandments... The problem is that it is forcing religion and the funding spent for everyone.

A good majority of Americans are agnostic, or Jehovah's witnesses, or mennonites... What do you do if the next president isn't catholics/christian and has different beliefs? Then he will force through his religion going into the schools... And every 4 or 8 years it will cycle and people will vote based on their religion instead of based on policies.

Heck, there are some Americans that turned Islamic, how would you feel if the next present there was elected started mandating Muslim teachings in school?


At least that's how I understand why church and state is separate. People are free to practice whatever religion they want, but it shouldn't be forced on anything the public / taxes are paying for in my opinion.

I don't know where you get your information from, but you couldn't be more wrong if you wanted to be.

Something like 65% of Americans are Christians. Less than 1% is jehovah's witnesses and mennonites don't even register on a scale.

The separation of church and state stems from our first amendment. It protects our religious freedoms by prohibiting Congress from establishing a religion or preventing the free exercise of faith. From before our country was united people like Roger Williams was already bringing this out and it continued and Thomas Jefferson brought it out even more so.

We had a non-christian with obama and it didn't work out too good. Most of the things he was noted for were not his developments at all. He just happened to be in the white house at the time.

 

[ikarasu]

I don't know where you get your information from, but you couldn't be more wrong if you wanted to be.

Something like 65% of Americans are Christians. Less than 1% is jehovah's witnesses and mennonites don't even register on a scale.

The separation of church and state stems from our first amendment. It protects our religious freedoms by prohibiting Congress from establishing a religion or preventing the free exercise of faith. From before our country was united people like Roger Williams was already bringing this out and it continued and Thomas Jefferson brought it out even more so.

We had a non-christian with obama and it didn't work out too good. Most of the things he was noted for were not his developments at all. He just happened to be in the white house at the time.

I consider Christian and Catholic different - I know Catholicism is a subset, but it's different enough to be its own religion. My majority comment was just listing a few other religions / non religions, but what I meant is a majority of people are t the same religion, they're different... But I see the way I worded it was just listing 3 religions and making it sound like those 3 are the majority.

As a Catholic I never would have went to an evangelical church - and I'm sure they're the same way. While the principal of the religion is the same... There are some key differences.

So my main point is who decides what teachings go into schools? And what if the next president is the 1% religion? People don't (or shouldn't) vote based on religion.

I know the seperation of church and state is more of a saying for people to understand the intent of the first amendment, and isn't an amendment in itself. But the establishment clause - preventing the government from establishing a specific religion, would prevent them from forcing commandments, or Koran, or any religion in school, wouldn't it?

The government should be neutral when it comes to things like this. Stuff like schools should be a safe space, Ask yourself if you were agnostic, or were one of the minority religions... And they tried to mandate a different religion in schools,.how would you feel? It'd prevent a lot of parents who arent that religion from sending their kids to school, and would hurt the country more than help it.

Anyone is free to choose their own religion, what me or my kids believe shouldn't be forced upon us by the government or any school.


My kids gone to church with his friends - he's gone to their baptism and confirmation. He's also went to bhuddist temples with his grandparents. My kids got a kind of his own, and he's free to explore any religion he wants and decide what he believes in. I feel like it's wrong for me to shove my religion / beliefs at him... So why should the government be able to?


Don't get me wrong. I think a governor mandating the 10 commandments be in all schools isnt some huge crisis that shouldn't be happening, and it's something people should fight to the death for. do think it goes against the constitution and should be over turned, maybe it's not specifically spelled out word for word... But I don't think anyone can read the 1st amendment and it's clauses and can say forcing any religion in a school is what was intended by it.


I didn't know Obama was non Christian. Honestly I don't know the religion of any politician... It's never mattered to me. Most of them say they're sending out their prayers, which I guess would suggest religion... but never paid much attention to it. I did just google it and it says Obama is a Christian though? And he's been going to the same church for 20 years, etc etc.

But let's play devil's advocate and use it as an example. Let's say he was islamic - how would you feel if he mandated schools put the Koran in their schools for everyone to read?

Less and less Americans are religious these days, or are of a different religion than compared to even 20 years ago. If every governor got to mandate his religion be taught in schools, or displayed some part of his religion in schools... It'd cause so much havoc.

 

[Kalispel]

Wow

I lean right but I am absolutely not a fan of the far right

The funny thing is a few percent of folks in the center make the choices

People like me who identify as “right” or “left” are going to stay that way.

A very few people can be swayed to go either way and they throw the vote.

The trouble for the right side is the intolerance of the extreme far right.

A slightly left-leaning individual can tolerate an extremely far-left woke progressive agenda more easily than a slightly right-leaning individual can stomach the far-right morality preaching far-right crowd.

The far right is working overtime to ensure they don’t get re-elected.

I’m out of here.

 

[MikePro]

The far right does ridiculous things too. Our TX governor mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in every class room. I'm religious, but that is a bridge too far when you have to consider other religions have equal weight in our society.

if you're talking about citing the Quran in schools
then hell, fucking, no

10C's is just bringing back roots, and they are a legitimate heritage of this country
...and its a display.
whatevs, i still only go to church on holidays. I'm lazy, and sunday is for sleeping-in & FOOTBALL!!!!
....but the mormons LOVE me when I attend random easter mass on a ski trip in Utah.

 

[MP Custom]

I consider Christian and Catholic different - I know Catholicism is a subset, but it's different enough to be its own religion. My majority comment was just listing a few other religions / non religions, but what I meant is a majority of people are t the same religion, they're different... But I see the way I worded it was just listing 3 religions and making it sound like those 3 are the majority.

As a Catholic I never would have went to an evangelical church - and I'm sure they're the same way. While the principal of the religion is the same... There are some key differences.

So my main point is who decides what teachings go into schools? And what if the next president is the 1% religion? People don't (or shouldn't) vote based on religion.

I know the seperation of church and state is more of a saying for people to understand the intent of the first amendment, and isn't an amendment in itself. But the establishment clause - preventing the government from establishing a specific religion, would prevent them from forcing commandments, or Koran, or any religion in school, wouldn't it?

The government should be neutral when it comes to things like this. Stuff like schools should be a safe space, Ask yourself if you were agnostic, or were one of the minority religions... And they tried to mandate a different religion in schools,.how would you feel? It'd prevent a lot of parents who arent that religion from sending their kids to school, and would hurt the country more than help it.

Anyone is free to choose their own religion, what me or my kids believe shouldn't be forced upon us by the government or any school.


My kids gone to church with his friends - he's gone to their baptism and confirmation. He's also went to bhuddist temples with his grandparents. My kids got a kind of his own, and he's free to explore any religion he wants and decide what he believes in. I feel like it's wrong for me to shove my religion / beliefs at him... So why should the government be able to?


Don't get me wrong. I think a governor mandating the 10 commandments be in all schools isnt some huge crisis that shouldn't be happening, and it's something people should fight to the death for. do think it goes against the constitution and should be over turned, maybe it's not specifically spelled out word for word... But I don't think anyone can read the 1st amendment and it's clauses and can say forcing any religion in a school is what was intended by it.


I didn't know Obama was non Christian. Honestly I don't know the religion of any politician... It's never mattered to me. Most of them say they're sending out their prayers, which I guess would suggest religion... but never paid much attention to it. I did just google it and it says Obama is a Christian though? And he's been going to the same church for 20 years, etc etc.

But let's play devil's advocate and use it as an example. Let's say he was islamic - how would you feel if he mandated schools put the Koran in their schools for everyone to read?

Less and less Americans are religious these days, or are of a different religion than compared to even 20 years ago. If every governor got to mandate his religion be taught in schools, or displayed some part of his religion in schools... It'd cause so much havoc.

As someone brought up in a religious school. Who also became an Atheist at the age of 12,
I feel that region should be between you, and whatever deity you believe in.
It's a private believe that has no need to be shared.
Keep it to yourselves, keep it personal, and do not let it ever become entwined with government or teaching. If people want to know? There are a million churches, all wanting to take your money to tell you how you should live. And hate the people who don't want to do that .
Someone said, religion is like a penis, ok, you got one, no need to whip it out and wave it in other people's faces.
Love and compassion comes from yourself. Not the threat of eternal damnation for not believing in the correct statue in the church of your choosing.

 

[damonCA21]

The irony of some Americans complaining about foreigners coming over and wanting things the same as back in their old country... It even works both ways! It is what YOUR COUNTRY was created by. Really the only religion taught in schools should be that of the natives. It is also what America has done to pretty much every country it has invaded since ( communism bad, we will force you to be a democracy like us. Islam bad, be Christians like us ).

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

10C's is just bringing back roots, and they are a legitimate heritage of this country

slavery is bringing back roots

 

[MikePro]

slavery is bringing back roots

a texan confederate would say something like that
amazing how, as the south got less-racist it got more Republican but sure...bring up slavery, when someone mentions the unrelated topic of words on a wall that celebrate core human values.

 

[ikarasu]

if you're talking about citing the Quran in schools
then hell, fucking, no

10C's is just bringing back roots, and they are a legitimate heritage of this country
...and its a display.
whatevs, i still only go to church on holidays. I'm lazy, and sunday is for sleeping-in & FOOTBALL!!!!
....but the mormons LOVE me when I attend random easter mass on a ski trip in Utah.

The us had open borders until 100 years ago. I think we can all agree that open borders would be a bad idea. Plus, the 10 commandments aren't a heritage or root of the country.... It's a 100% religious document. I've printed about a dozen "code of conducts" for schools that lay out rules of how everyone should act, that's what schools should have to teach people how to be civilized, not a part of a religion.

It's not just about slaves, or racism, things change for the better.



We live in a world where a wealth of information is at your fingertips... Anyone curious or wanting to learn about the word of God easily can, forcing it upon them will just push them away and divide people more.

 

[Gino]

Again, your knowledge, lack of or just plain imagination really surprises me. I won't go into that, but please, for your sake, stay away from religious topics.

Our country was founded on religious freedoms, not slavery, borders or armies.
Yes, we had open arms to most anyone, but that slowed down to a small degree, but was not heavily enforced at all til maybe the 80s or 90s with all the terrorism coming to our shores.

I would highly recommend to most of you to go into your country's history along with others and study up on these things rather than argue with people whom have lived it and through it.

 

[ikarasu]

Again, your knowledge, lack of or just plain imagination really surprises me. I won't go into that, but please, for your sake, stay away from religious topics.

Our country was founded on religious freedoms, not slavery, borders or armies.
Yes, we had open arms to most anyone, but that slowed down to a small degree, but was not heavily enforced at all til maybe the 80s or 90s with all the terrorism coming to our shores.

I would highly recommend to most of you to go into your country's history along with others and study up on these things rather than argue with people whom have lived it and through it.

Feel free to go into it .. if I'm wrong, im more than happy to look into it and admit it.

Almost everything I post about I do a quick Google search to make sure I'm not spouting nonsense, but occasionally Google can be wrong as well.

 

[Texas_Signmaker]

a texan confederate would say something like that
amazing how, as the south got less-racist it got more Republican but sure...bring up slavery, when someone mentions the unrelated topic of words on a wall that celebrate core human values.

republicans were the ones that wanted to end slavery. slavery is mentioned in the bible as well. mike went to a school that posted the 10 commandments, that's why he failed history.

 

[Gino]

Do you actually depend on google for all of your so-called knowledge and beliefs ??

All this time, I thought your thoughts were your own.

 

[ikarasu]

Do you actually depend on google for all of your so-called knowledge and beliefs ??

All this time, I thought your thoughts were your own.

Google doesn't tell me what to think, but it's a wealth of knowledge.

How far away is the moon? How many people live in Alabama?

Are you going to goto the library to find that stuff out? Whats wrong with Google to fact check your information?

All the information I get comes from reputable sources, not cnn or fox news.

Sorry I'm not one to spout random stuff I hear on the news without fact checking it first.... Or going by what my gut feeling says is true.


Everyone in your circle of people you know could be Catholic, but that doesn't mean it's true for the rest of the country. Look up church statistics, the number of people going to church is way, way down, and dropping all the time.

Part of its because people are making up their own mind, part of it is because of all the scandals the church has been in latelly... But just because something was true 100 years ago, doesn't mean times haven't changed.


But like I said - if I said anything that's wrong, let me know and I'll post my sources... If you choose to believe them or call them garbage, that's up to you

 

[Gino]

Very well written.

Now that ika, is how you research something. Most of that I learned in Sunday school, catechism classes, church and in regular school. As I read that I realized how much I've forgotten.
That was really a treat.

 

[John Miller]

Trump is moving the needle towards America first and not only that but each and every country for their own first. Start taking care of your own citizens.

What a ridiculous statement., You can't really believe that Trump is taking care or his own citizens. The wealthy get huge tax credits, YES he's taking care of the wealthy, but the rank-and-file citizen is footing the bill for tariffs which makes it harder to live a comfortable life.

 

[John Miller]

I thought we were discussing tariffs

 

[GAC05]

Think we still have a fairly solid mutual defense pack with Australia. Their new Ghost Shark drones are going to be locally built by Anduril Australia; their parent company is based out of Costa Mesa, California.
If the larger nuke sub deal holds, it is going to be a multi-billion dollar trade.

Australia to spend $8 billion on nuclear sub shipyard – DW – 09/14/2025

Australia has earmarked billions in funds to revamp facilities at a shipyard in order to prepare it for nuclear-powered submarines to be delivered under the 2021 AUKUS pact. The spending will span a decade.

www.dw.com