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Tariff impact, can't get clearer than this

damonCA21

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I do agree going too far either way never works. At least with someone in the centre you don't get extreme ideas that don't work.

Trumps problem is he is trying to do too much all at once and makes half thought out decisions without getting the experts to plan them properly

Will be interesting to see how trump reacts to the events yesterday
 
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ikarasu

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This is why having a two-party system sucks. And it feels like lately it's either you're far left or you're far right and you can't fall in between... Or at least it's not accepted that you fall in between.

I said it before, I voted for him the first term... I leaned more towards his policies and felt like Hillary was going to be 100 times worse than Trump. I still agree with some of Trump's policies, but I feel like people let him get away with too much s*** that they should not let him get away with and America is suffering for it.

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Seems like nowadays people don't get that you can vote for the lesser evil, and still call out things that are bad whether it's your party or the other party that's in office.

I don't think Trump is what caused it, but I do think Trump being in office and the way he treats his opponents has amplified it a lot. He seems to think if you don't agree with his policies that makes you the enemy... And he's not afraid to say it and repeat it and drill it into everyone's head that that's the way it is.

I don't mind people who are hardcore mega... I was sad to hear about Charlie Kirk yesterday, I watch him on YouTube all the time.... I felt like he is what a true Republican or Democrat should be.... He was pretty much always respectful, even if you did not agree with his views he was just there to provide facts and talk about his viewpoint, he didn't expect people to change their mind and was only there for the conversation and to spread awareness. I didn't agree with everything you said, but at least what he said he backed it up with reasoning that most people could understand, and at least see why he felt the way he did. He never resorted to name calling or bullying, and he didn't deserve anything that happened to him.

I wish more people were like him, on both sides of the fence.
 
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MikePro

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well then maybe you should simply start listening to Billboard Chris, the Canadian Charlie
...and stop invoking the latter's name as if to feign some new form of morals yet to be expressed here.
 

user23434

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Our business is sheet metal fabrication.
Our policy has always been to source locally wherever it is practical.
We are experiencing huge inflationary cost increases - materials, tooling, freight, subscription services, etc.
The US clearly lacks the manufacturing capacity to onshore enough to significantly offset imported products.

We have been competing with China for years and done quite well.
Tariff rhetoric sounds good but somebody has to pay the toll — tariffs are a flat tax with a different name.
I do not think it will not end well.

Since I’m new here, I will make my political views known
I live in a bright red county and I voted republican for 45 years
My extended family is republican and we have spawned a couple generations of new right wingers.
We have our own cozy echo chamber here.
I was thrilled when Trump won and I like most of what he does.
I hate the progressive agenda, the green agenda and wokeness.
I am very happy to see the pendulum swing.

All that said - Trump’s economic policies are a huge disappointment to me.
Too abrupt, scattered, poorly executed and closely aligned with the goals of the billionaires.
Hold on to your pantyhose, we are in for a change of the status quo. The frustration you are experiencing is change in right direction. Trump is moving the needle towards America first and not only that but each and every country for their own first. Start taking care of your own citizens. What you are used to is the globalism way. In order to get rid of income tax we must replace it with something, and that something is tariffs. Change in the right direction isn't easy. Change it the wrong direction is super easy (such as - FREE FREE FREE! -- There is no thing such as free, someone has to pay at some point).
 

user23434

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This is why having a two-party system sucks. And it feels like lately it's either you're far left or you're far right and you can't fall in between... Or at least it's not accepted that you fall in between.

I said it before, I voted for him the first term... I leaned more towards his policies and felt like Hillary was going to be 100 times worse than Trump. I still agree with some of Trump's policies, but I feel like people let him get away with too much s*** that they should not let him get away with and America is suffering for it.

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Seems like nowadays people don't get that you can vote for the lesser evil, and still call out things that are bad whether it's your party or the other party that's in office.

I don't think Trump is what caused it, but I do think Trump being in office and the way he treats his opponents has amplified it a lot. He seems to think if you don't agree with his policies that makes you the enemy... And he's not afraid to say it and repeat it and drill it into everyone's head that that's the way it is.

I don't mind people who are hardcore mega... I was sad to hear about Charlie Kirk yesterday, I watch him on YouTube all the time.... I felt like he is what a true Republican or Democrat should be.... He was pretty much always respectful, even if you did not agree with his views he was just there to provide facts and talk about his viewpoint, he didn't expect people to change their mind and was only there for the conversation and to spread awareness. I didn't agree with everything you said, but at least what he said he backed it up with reasoning that most people could understand, and at least see why he felt the way he did. He never resorted to name calling or bullying, and he didn't deserve anything that happened to him.

I wish more people were like him, on both sides of the fence.
I feel like I have to inform you that there is actually just one party. There are far and few between that are actually putting the citizens of the USA first. It should just be called the politician party. Most of the people in office are sell outs and selling out the American people and taking the tax dollars for their own interests. Look at what was discovered with all of the USAID spending and the pockets and purposes that money actually went into. Research the politicians that are in office for your state and see what they have voted for their whole career. There is a reason why the people who should be representing the citizens are not in office (fake news, threats, etc).
 

user23434

New Member
I do agree going too far either way never works. At least with someone in the centre you don't get extreme ideas that don't work.

Trumps problem is he is trying to do too much all at once and makes half thought out decisions without getting the experts to plan them properly

Will be interesting to see how trump reacts to the events yesterday
Trump's ideas aren't extreme at all. In fact, Trump is actually a very middle of the road (common sense). I would consider him a centrist. The left has gone so far extreme left making the middle look extreme right.

Apparently far right now mean's you are against:
- crime-ridden cities
- child mutilation
- foreign terrorists invading the U.S.
- celebrating murder
- porn in schools
- drug cartels killing Americans
- career criminals roaming free
- subway stabbings

Everyone should be against these things, but the "left" is pushing them with the help of main stream media and paid off politicians.
 

Texas_Signmaker

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Trump's ideas aren't extreme at all. In fact, Trump is actually a very middle of the road (common sense). I would consider him a centrist. The left has gone so far extreme left making the middle look extreme right.

Apparently far right now mean's you are against:
- crime-ridden cities
- child mutilation
- foreign terrorists invading the U.S.
- celebrating murder
- porn in schools
- drug cartels killing Americans
- career criminals roaming free
- subway stabbings

Everyone should be against these things, but the "left" is pushing them with the help of main stream media and paid off politicians.

The far right does ridiculous things too. Our TX governor mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in every class room. I'm religious, but that is a bridge too far when you have to consider other religions have equal weight in our society.
 
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Gino

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The far right does ridiculous things too. Our TX governor mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in every class room. I'm religious, but that is a bridge too far when you have to consider other religions have equal weight in our society.

Actually, the schools are funded by the United States Government and local & state taxes, so I can see & understand why only the ten commandments would/could go in..... thus omitting any other religion(s). If other religions want, they could very easily make the choice to school their children in one of their own schools. Now, I don't think every classroom needs them, however maybe one in the lobby of the school would be sufficient.

Personally, I'm a little tired of people coming into this country and wanting things the way they were in their old country. In probably 95% of the people coming here, they left a place which was bad in many ways and came here to start over or get ahead. By our laws, one needs to take oaths and pass some tests, which evidently, no one adheres to. You need to know something like 6 outta 10 civics type questions, pass a knowledge of english test and take an oath to renounce your old country and make your new allegiance to this country. There're more things involved like visitors, green cards and working ways, but almost all cases need a medical examination.

There are extremes all around us and like never before. The murder of charlie kirk is proof of that. There.... was a guy who didn't agree with things kirk said or debated, so, he cowardly hid far away, took careful aim and murdered someone because of his difference of opinion. This has nothing to do with tariffs but all to do with how nuts the world is getting.
 

ikarasu

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Actually, the schools are funded by the United States Government and local & state taxes, so I can see & understand why only the ten commandments would/could go in..... thus omitting any other religion(s). If other religions want, they could very easily make the choice to school their children in one of their own schools. Now, I don't think every classroom needs them, however maybe one in the lobby of the school would be sufficient.

Personally, I'm a little tired of people coming into this country and wanting things the way they were in their old country. In probably 95% of the people coming here, they left a place which was bad in many ways and came here to start over or get ahead. By our laws, one needs to take oaths and pass some tests, which evidently, no one adheres to. You need to know something like 6 outta 10 civics type questions, pass a knowledge of english test and take an oath to renounce your old country and make your new allegiance to this country. There're more things involved like visitors, green cards and working ways, but almost all cases need a medical examination.

There are extremes all around us and like never before. The murder of charlie kirk is proof of that. There.... was a guy who didn't agree with things kirk said or debated, so, he cowardly hid far away, took careful aim and murdered someone because of his difference of opinion. This has nothing to do with tariffs but all to do with how nuts the world is getting.
It's separation of church and state, I don't think the problem is that it's the ten Commandments... The problem is that it is forcing religion and the funding spent for everyone.

A good majority of Americans are agnostic, or Jehovah's witnesses, or mennonites... What do you do if the next president isn't catholics/christian and has different beliefs? Then he will force through his religion going into the schools... And every 4 or 8 years it will cycle and people will vote based on their religion instead of based on policies.

Heck, there are some Americans that turned Islamic, how would you feel if the next present there was elected started mandating Muslim teachings in school?


At least that's how I understand why church and state is separate. People are free to practice whatever religion they want, but it shouldn't be forced on anything the public / taxes are paying for in my opinion.


I do agree with you with how crazy the world is getting off, seeing how people are responding to Charlie Kirks death... People saying he deserved it for his beliefs, saying he's pro guns so he should be okay being killed by a gun... And it's not just a few people either, everywhere I go online there's people happy that he died. In my opinion the people that feel that way are no better than the third world countries we're trying to not be like.

The few democrats who have came out against his shooting, or even Chris Pratt who said it was a sad day and his prays go out to Kirk.... People trying to cancel them or call them out just for offering condoloscenes.... I still think the country is too divided with a us vs them mentality, but this past week has shown me that the left can be just as fucked as the right, and some people just can't be fixed.
 
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ikarasu

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The far right does ridiculous things too. Our TX governor mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in every class room. I'm religious, but that is a bridge too far when you have to consider other religions have equal weight in our society.
If call myself middle ground on religion. I believe there is a higher power... But I don't believe God, or whatever the higher power is, would send you to tell for committing a "mortal" sin, but dying the day before you went to confession.

I was an alter boy for 8 years, went to church every single day while I was on. It was a Roman Catholic, super strict church.... And it being shoved down my throat turned me against it. I remember being told I couldn't go see the men in black movie because if there were aliens they were the devil, and I shouldn't support movies about the devil.

Now obviously that's a far cry against the 10 commandments... But if you force it upon someone who isn't religious, odds are theyll turn against that.

Not sure how it is over there.... But over here just in my city there's a dozen Catholic private schools. Tuition isn't free like public school, but it's not crazy Expensive like true private schools. Much better way than forcing any religioun on a group of people who may or may not be religious, IMO.
 

Gino

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It's separation of church and state, I don't think the problem is that it's the ten Commandments... The problem is that it is forcing religion and the funding spent for everyone.

A good majority of Americans are agnostic, or Jehovah's witnesses, or mennonites... What do you do if the next president isn't catholics/christian and has different beliefs? Then he will force through his religion going into the schools... And every 4 or 8 years it will cycle and people will vote based on their religion instead of based on policies.

Heck, there are some Americans that turned Islamic, how would you feel if the next present there was elected started mandating Muslim teachings in school?


At least that's how I understand why church and state is separate. People are free to practice whatever religion they want, but it shouldn't be forced on anything the public / taxes are paying for in my opinion.

I don't know where you get your information from, but you couldn't be more wrong if you wanted to be.

Something like 65% of Americans are Christians. Less than 1% is jehovah's witnesses and mennonites don't even register on a scale.

The separation of church and state stems from our first amendment. It protects our religious freedoms by prohibiting Congress from establishing a religion or preventing the free exercise of faith. From before our country was united people like Roger Williams was already bringing this out and it continued and Thomas Jefferson brought it out even more so.

We had a non-christian with obama and it didn't work out too good. Most of the things he was noted for were not his developments at all. He just happened to be in the white house at the time.
 
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ikarasu

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I don't know where you get your information from, but you couldn't be more wrong if you wanted to be.

Something like 65% of Americans are Christians. Less than 1% is jehovah's witnesses and mennonites don't even register on a scale.

The separation of church and state stems from our first amendment. It protects our religious freedoms by prohibiting Congress from establishing a religion or preventing the free exercise of faith. From before our country was united people like Roger Williams was already bringing this out and it continued and Thomas Jefferson brought it out even more so.

We had a non-christian with obama and it didn't work out too good. Most of the things he was noted for were not his developments at all. He just happened to be in the white house at the time.
I consider Christian and Catholic different - I know Catholicism is a subset, but it's different enough to be its own religion. My majority comment was just listing a few other religions / non religions, but what I meant is a majority of people are t the same religion, they're different... But I see the way I worded it was just listing 3 religions and making it sound like those 3 are the majority.

As a Catholic I never would have went to an evangelical church - and I'm sure they're the same way. While the principal of the religion is the same... There are some key differences.

So my main point is who decides what teachings go into schools? And what if the next president is the 1% religion? People don't (or shouldn't) vote based on religion.

I know the seperation of church and state is more of a saying for people to understand the intent of the first amendment, and isn't an amendment in itself. But the establishment clause - preventing the government from establishing a specific religion, would prevent them from forcing commandments, or Koran, or any religion in school, wouldn't it?

The government should be neutral when it comes to things like this. Stuff like schools should be a safe space, Ask yourself if you were agnostic, or were one of the minority religions... And they tried to mandate a different religion in schools,.how would you feel? It'd prevent a lot of parents who arent that religion from sending their kids to school, and would hurt the country more than help it.

Anyone is free to choose their own religion, what me or my kids believe shouldn't be forced upon us by the government or any school.


My kids gone to church with his friends - he's gone to their baptism and confirmation. He's also went to bhuddist temples with his grandparents. My kids got a kind of his own, and he's free to explore any religion he wants and decide what he believes in. I feel like it's wrong for me to shove my religion / beliefs at him... So why should the government be able to?


Don't get me wrong. I think a governor mandating the 10 commandments be in all schools isnt some huge crisis that shouldn't be happening, and it's something people should fight to the death for. do think it goes against the constitution and should be over turned, maybe it's not specifically spelled out word for word... But I don't think anyone can read the 1st amendment and it's clauses and can say forcing any religion in a school is what was intended by it.


I didn't know Obama was non Christian. Honestly I don't know the religion of any politician... It's never mattered to me. Most of them say they're sending out their prayers, which I guess would suggest religion... but never paid much attention to it. I did just google it and it says Obama is a Christian though? And he's been going to the same church for 20 years, etc etc.

But let's play devil's advocate and use it as an example. Let's say he was islamic - how would you feel if he mandated schools put the Koran in their schools for everyone to read?

Less and less Americans are religious these days, or are of a different religion than compared to even 20 years ago. If every governor got to mandate his religion be taught in schools, or displayed some part of his religion in schools... It'd cause so much havoc.
 
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Kalispel

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Wow

I lean right but I am absolutely not a fan of the far right

The funny thing is a few percent of folks in the center make the choices

People like me who identify as “right” or “left” are going to stay that way.

A very few people can be swayed to go either way and they throw the vote.

The trouble for the right side is the intolerance of the extreme far right.

A slightly left-leaning individual can tolerate an extremely far-left woke progressive agenda more easily than a slightly right-leaning individual can stomach the far-right morality preaching far-right crowd.

The far right is working overtime to ensure they don’t get re-elected.

I’m out of here.
 

MikePro

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The far right does ridiculous things too. Our TX governor mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in every class room. I'm religious, but that is a bridge too far when you have to consider other religions have equal weight in our society.
if you're talking about citing the Quran in schools
then hell, fucking, no

10C's is just bringing back roots, and they are a legitimate heritage of this country
whatevs, i still only go to church on holidays. I'm lazy, and sunday is for sleeping-in & FOOTBALL!!!!
....but the mormons LOVE me when I attend random easter mass on a ski trip in Utah.
 
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