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ikarasu

Premium Subscriber
if you're talking about citing the Quran in schools
then hell, fucking, no

10C's is just bringing back roots, and they are a legitimate heritage of this country
...and its a display.
whatevs, i still only go to church on holidays. I'm lazy, and sunday is for sleeping-in & FOOTBALL!!!!
....but the mormons LOVE me when I attend random easter mass on a ski trip in Utah.
The us had open borders until 100 years ago. I think we can all agree that open borders would be a bad idea. Plus, the 10 commandments aren't a heritage or root of the country.... It's a 100% religious document. I've printed about a dozen "code of conducts" for schools that lay out rules of how everyone should act, that's what schools should have to teach people how to be civilized, not a part of a religion.

It's not just about slaves, or racism, things change for the better.



We live in a world where a wealth of information is at your fingertips... Anyone curious or wanting to learn about the word of God easily can, forcing it upon them will just push them away and divide people more.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Again, your knowledge, lack of or just plain imagination really surprises me. I won't go into that, but please, for your sake, stay away from religious topics.

Our country was founded on religious freedoms, not slavery, borders or armies.
Yes, we had open arms to most anyone, but that slowed down to a small degree, but was not heavily enforced at all til maybe the 80s or 90s with all the terrorism coming to our shores.

I would highly recommend to most of you to go into your country's history along with others and study up on these things rather than argue with people whom have lived it and through it.
 

ikarasu

Premium Subscriber
Again, your knowledge, lack of or just plain imagination really surprises me. I won't go into that, but please, for your sake, stay away from religious topics.

Our country was founded on religious freedoms, not slavery, borders or armies.
Yes, we had open arms to most anyone, but that slowed down to a small degree, but was not heavily enforced at all til maybe the 80s or 90s with all the terrorism coming to our shores.

I would highly recommend to most of you to go into your country's history along with others and study up on these things rather than argue with people whom have lived it and through it.
Feel free to go into it .. if I'm wrong, im more than happy to look into it and admit it.

Almost everything I post about I do a quick Google search to make sure I'm not spouting nonsense, but occasionally Google can be wrong as well.
 

Texas_Signmaker

Very Active Signmaker
a texan confederate would say something like that
amazing how, as the south got less-racist it got more Republican but sure...bring up slavery, when someone mentions the unrelated topic of words on a wall that celebrate core human values.
republicans were the ones that wanted to end slavery. slavery is mentioned in the bible as well. mike went to a school that posted the 10 commandments, that's why he failed history.
 

Gino

Premium Subscriber
Do you actually depend on google for all of your so-called knowledge and beliefs ??

All this time, I thought your thoughts were your own.
 

ikarasu

Premium Subscriber
Do you actually depend on google for all of your so-called knowledge and beliefs ??

All this time, I thought your thoughts were your own.
Google doesn't tell me what to think, but it's a wealth of knowledge.

How far away is the moon? How many people live in Alabama?

Are you going to goto the library to find that stuff out? Whats wrong with Google to fact check your information?

All the information I get comes from reputable sources, not cnn or fox news.

Sorry I'm not one to spout random stuff I hear on the news without fact checking it first.... Or going by what my gut feeling says is true.


Everyone in your circle of people you know could be Catholic, but that doesn't mean it's true for the rest of the country. Look up church statistics, the number of people going to church is way, way down, and dropping all the time.

Part of its because people are making up their own mind, part of it is because of all the scandals the church has been in latelly... But just because something was true 100 years ago, doesn't mean times haven't changed.


But like I said - if I said anything that's wrong, let me know and I'll post my sources... If you choose to believe them or call them garbage, that's up to you :thumb:
 

user23434

New Member
The far right does ridiculous things too. Our TX governor mandating that the 10 commandments be displayed in every class room. I'm religious, but that is a bridge too far when you have to consider other religions have equal weight in our society.
Explain to me how the ten commandments are a bad thing?

I can explain to you how these things are bad very easily:
- crime-ridden cities
- child mutilation
- foreign terrorists invading the U.S.
- celebrating murder
- porn in schools
- drug cartels killing Americans
- career criminals roaming free
- subway stabbings
 

user23434

New Member
It's separation of church and state, I don't think the problem is that it's the ten Commandments... The problem is that it is forcing religion and the funding spent for everyone.

A good majority of Americans are agnostic, or Jehovah's witnesses, or mennonites... What do you do if the next president isn't catholics/christian and has different beliefs? Then he will force through his religion going into the schools... And every 4 or 8 years it will cycle and people will vote based on their religion instead of based on policies.

Heck, there are some Americans that turned Islamic, how would you feel if the next present there was elected started mandating Muslim teachings in school?


At least that's how I understand why church and state is separate. People are free to practice whatever religion they want, but it shouldn't be forced on anything the public / taxes are paying for in my opinion.


I do agree with you with how crazy the world is getting off, seeing how people are responding to Charlie Kirks death... People saying he deserved it for his beliefs, saying he's pro guns so he should be okay being killed by a gun... And it's not just a few people either, everywhere I go online there's people happy that he died. In my opinion the people that feel that way are no better than the third world countries we're trying to not be like.

The few democrats who have came out against his shooting, or even Chris Pratt who said it was a sad day and his prays go out to Kirk.... People trying to cancel them or call them out just for offering condoloscenes.... I still think the country is too divided with a us vs them mentality, but this past week has shown me that the left can be just as fucked as the right, and some people just can't be fixed.
Charlie Kirk answers about "Church and State" ---
 

user23434

New Member
Wow

I lean right but I am absolutely not a fan of the far right

The funny thing is a few percent of folks in the center make the choices

People like me who identify as “right” or “left” are going to stay that way.

A very few people can be swayed to go either way and they throw the vote.

The trouble for the right side is the intolerance of the extreme far right.

A slightly left-leaning individual can tolerate an extremely far-left woke progressive agenda more easily than a slightly right-leaning individual can stomach the far-right morality preaching far-right crowd.

The far right is working overtime to ensure they don’t get re-elected.

I’m out of here.
This is an interesting comment. Does it mean that you accept gay parades (where people are exposing nudity to children) more than you accept church songs (where people are singing songs about love)?
 

user23434

New Member
The irony of some Americans complaining about foreigners coming over and wanting things the same as back in their old country... :D It even works both ways! It is what YOUR COUNTRY was created by. Really the only religion taught in schools should be that of the natives. It is also what America has done to pretty much every country it has invaded since ( communism bad, we will force you to be a democracy like us. Islam bad, be Christians like us ).
If you don't know your history then you will be a victim of the same pitfalls over and over again.

Here is a little bit of history for you and you can dig deeper if you want to.

The United States of America was founded with Christian roots.

The original Pilgrims who came to America on the Mayflower in 1620 were Protestants (Christians), but more specifically they were English Puritans known as Separatists.
Puritans wanted to "purify" the Church of England of what they saw as lingering Catholic practices.
Separatists went even further, believing the Church of England was beyond reform, so they separated entirely and formed independent congregations.
They first fled to the Netherlands (Leiden) for religious tolerance, but later sailed to America seeking a place where they could establish their own community.
  • Under Catholic Queen Mary I (“Bloody Mary,” 1553–1558), Protestants were executed — hundreds were burned at the stake.
  • But by the time of the Pilgrims (late 1500s–early 1600s), England was firmly Protestant under Elizabeth I and then James I.
  • The people at risk then were not Protestants in general, but radical Protestants who refused to follow the Church of England’s rules.
  • The Pilgrims weren’t usually executed — instead, they were harassed, fined, jailed, or forced into hiding.
Why They Left
  • The Separatists wanted the freedom to run their own independent churches, without interference from bishops or the king.
  • Because that was illegal in England, they first fled to the Netherlands (where there was more tolerance).
  • Eventually, they decided to leave Europe altogether and build a new community in America.



The reason that the makers of the Constitution forbid religious test and block the establishment and protect free exercise of religion is because of the experience in England where a certain way was forced upon them. The way they build the Constitution is so that the best articulation of reality will always win.
  • England’s religious “tests” & uniformity laws. In Restoration-era England, officeholders had to take Anglican communion and swear anti-Catholic oaths (Corporation Act 1661; Test Acts 1673/1678). Dissenters faced legal disabilities until partial relief in 1689’s Toleration Act. Parliament UK+3Legislation.gov.uk+3Wikipedia+3
  • The American response. The Constitution bans religious tests (Art. VI), and the First Amendment bars establishment and protects free exercise. Madison’s 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance argued religion “must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man,” a view embodied in Jefferson’s 1786 Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. Encyclopedia Virginia+3Congress.gov+3Reagan Library+3

Deuteronomy → Founding-era echoes (with receipts)​


Below, each line pairs a Deuteronomic idea with its closest American analogue. Think “family resemblance,” not one-to-one derivation.

  1. Ruler under written law (rule of law).
    • Deuteronomy: The king must write a copy of the law, keep it, and read it “all the days of his life,” so he won’t exalt himself above his fellows (Deut 17:18–20). Public reading of the law every seventh year reinforces this (Deut 31:10–13). Bible Gateway+1
    • U.S.: Officers are bound by oath or affirmation to support a supreme written Constitution (Art. VI); the President swears to “preserve, protect and defend” it (Art. II). That’s the American version of law above rulers. Congress.gov+2Congress.gov+2
  2. Local judges + impartial justice.
    • Deuteronomy: “Appoint judges… in all your gates”; do not pervert justice or take bribes (Deut 16:18–20). Bible Hub
    • U.S.: A vast, tiered judiciary sworn to do “equal right to the poor and to the rich,” with corruption criminalized in statute—structurally echoing the Deuteronomic push for impartial courts. Ben's Guide
  3. Due process via multiple witnesses.
    • Deuteronomy: A single witness is insufficient; “by the mouth of two or three witnesses shall a matter be established” (Deut 19:15; cf. 17:6). Bible Hub
    • U.S.: The Constitution hard-codes a two-witness rule (for treason): “No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act” (Art. III §3). This built on the English Treason Act 1695’s two-witness requirement—tightened by the framers to the “same overt act.” National Archives+1
    • Colonial bridge: Massachusetts’s Body of Liberties (1641) likewise required two or three witnesses in capital cases. American Constitution Center
  4. Diligent fact-finding before punishment.
    • Deuteronomy: Authorities must “inquire, investigate, and ask diligently” to verify allegations (Deut 13:14; cf. 17:4). Cities of refuge guard against rash bloodshed (Deut 19:1–13). Bible Hub+1
    • U.S.: Due-process norms (indictment, confrontation of witnesses, etc.) reflect the same instinct to verify before punishing, though the mechanisms are different.
  5. Oath-bound leadership.
    • Deuteronomy: The king’s handwritten law + perpetual reading is a kind of covenantal self-binding. Bible Gateway
    • U.S.: Article VI binds all federal and state officers by oath to the Constitution (and—crucially—without a religious test). Congress.gov
  6. Popular covenant / consent motif.
    • Deuteronomy: “All of you are standing today… to enter into a covenant,” including leaders, families, and resident aliens (Deut 29:10–15; 30:19 “choose life”). Bible Gateway+1
    • U.S.: The Declaration locates just government in “consent of the governed.” Many early New England compacts (e.g., Mayflower Compact) used covenant language for civil order. These are parallel ways of grounding political obligation in public commitment. Teaching American History+1
  7. Leader “from among your brethren” vs. foreign influence.
    • Deuteronomy: The king must be from among your own peoplenot a foreigner (Deut 17:15). Bible Hub
    • U.S.: The President must be a “natural born Citizen” (with an original-era exception), a safeguard the framers tied to fear of foreign influence—not a direct biblical rule, but a recognizable rhyme. Congress.gov+1

Where the parallels stop (important differences)​

  • Deuteronomy is a religious constitution; the U.S. is not. Deuteronomy centers a covenant with Israel’s God, prescribes worship, and unifies civil and cultic life. The U.S. disestablishes religion, protects free exercise, and forbids religious tests (Art. VI; 1st Amendment). That’s a fundamental structural divergence. Congress.gov+1
  • Executive form. Deuteronomy regulates a king (with limits on horses, wives, treasure). The U.S. rejects monarchy, dividing power among separate branches; the “limits” rhyme but the institutional design differs. (See Deut 17:14–20.) Sefaria
  • Procedure & punishments. Deuteronomy’s criminal sanctions (e.g., capital offenses, cult centralization) and ritual law don’t map onto U.S. constitutionalism, which prioritizes individual rights within a secular legal order.
In the late 18th century the Bible was cited frequently, and Deuteronomy was the single most cited book. It is very fair to say America's founding absorbed many Christian characteristics and was made by actual Christians of different denominations who worked to make a bullet proof rule of law that would stand the test of time keeping the citizens free from governmental tyranny and give liberty to all (such as the right to own property, something only kings were allowed in the land they came from).
 
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